I’m not deflecting. But the Bible doesn’t tell us how Satan got to where he is now. I will say this, no one does anything outside their nature. Satan wasn’t infallible and he fell of his own doing. God never made him do it.
Is unconditional election biblical?
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So babies and the mentally handicapped go to hell? Just is fair.
The Bible doesn’t speak about babies eternal state, either. You’re appealing with your emotions my friend.
If a baby is automatically ushered into heaven right after being aborted, you’ve made the pro-choice’s stance the kindest thing a woman could ever do. Just get pregnant and abort and populate heaven with babies. It’ll be less cruel than having a baby and it use its free will and die lost later, right?
Again, the Bible doesn’t tell us what happens to them. But God will do no injustice to anyone my friend. You’re appealing with your emotions and not the Bible my friend.
Either Satan had free will to rebel or he didn't. I believe it takes more faith to say God caused Satan to rebel.
But good atleast you are beginning to admit one part of God's creations have free will.
I never said Satan had free will my friend. You said that. I said he would never operate outside his nature. Neither does God. That’s why God can’t sin. It’s not in His nature to do so.
Satan was a created being, being perfect, but not infallible. Adam was, too. You and I and all of Adam’s posterity weren’t created sinless, but dead in Adam.
Nope the Bible also says do not murder. And yes even jesus said the Kingdom belongs to such as these. Paul said he was once alive before the knowing of the law.
Romans 5:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
While it's true that NO ONE will be saved by any other way than the Blood of Christ, it is also true that His Blood and grace will cover some who have not heard the Word, like children. Children will not be in Hell. And I believe others who haven't heard the Word will also be covered, but that is admittedly a harder case to make then children being covered by His Blood.
No I am appealing to philosophical logic and reason based in context of scripture and sound judgment.
Agree except for those “others” being covered. If that’s the case, let’s keep the gospel a secret and not share God’s word with anyone.
Well, seeing Paul wrote other places that all have sinned[Romans 3:23, 1 Cor. 15:22,] we know he is not crossing himself by saying he was spiritually alive at that time. He lived the Law, and thought it was all he needed. But when confronted by the Christ, he saw that the Law, which he thought was life, had actually killed him. He was dead spiritually and didn’t know it.
Yes. This is an important point that must be stressed. We were NOT made in God's Image and likeness. Yes, we may physically LOOK like Jesus did on earth, but we certainly are not made in His Spiritual Image, whereas Adam and Eve were before the fall.
We are ALL made in the spiritual image of Adam. That is why Christ had to come in the first place;
Genesis 5:3
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3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, AFTER HIS IMAGE, and named him Seth.
But no one can know the Christ but via the word of God. That’s the thrust of Paul’s writing in Romans 10:14-17.
We are made in the image of God, but Adam marred that image. We are made in the image of Adam[Gen. 5:3], the marred image of God.
You are contradicting yourself by saying Satan was is perfect but yet not infallible. ??? We must define the word perfect that describes God compared to perfect of Satan. Are you meaning perfect in design? If so then yes he was a angel as perfectly designed by God but chose of his own doing or in your own words, "
Nope. You are putting words in my mouth. By others, I mean mentally retarded, and those righteous who haven't heard the Word. I will not judge who they are.
But we need to understand that people like Job, Abraham, and even Noah, didn't have the written Word that we know about. Moses hadn't written it yet.
What I mean is Satan, all other angels, and Adam, God created them perfect. They were sinless. But that does not mean they were infallible, able to not sin. If that were true, they’d been sinless like God. They were not made infallible, but fallible. They were created w/o a blemish, but that doesn’t mean they could remain that way.
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no one presented fake news. you did not understand what he said
most likely because you are so eager to present your teaching
here is what he said:
there is absolutely nothing in that quote that indicates or gives reason for opposition and rhetoric regarding a false hope
you read INTO what people say
what he actually is saying, is that mercy is through Jesus and only Jesus and there is no other way
however, you say that is false and create an enormous post and all for nothing
I suspect you did not even really take the time to make sure you understood what he was saying because he said nothing wrong...not even according to Calvinism
he said IT IS NOT US...so where is he somehow giving fake news?
HE ISN"T!
