Is Total Victory over Sin Possible?

[Aussie52]

This is not quite accurate. Let me explain 1 John 3.6. This chapter/book is about Positional Truth, not salvation. So in 1 Jn 3.6 for example John is saying that those who are in Christ (that is, those who have all known sins confessed) do not sin because being in fellowship with Christ means you are not sinning but walking in the light (fellowship). When a believer is in fellowship, he can not sin because he is being guided by the Holy Spirit. The only way we (believers) can sin, is to break fellowship with Christ, to removed ourselves from walking in the light, and we walk in darkness. John is very fond of using polar opposites. He uses light/dark, sin/fellowship to name a few. It is a great teaching aide to use these technique.

Also, a good example is that which is found in James chapter 1. James says we sin when we are lured out of the light/fellowship by sinning, and our immediate responsibility is to confess the sin so we are restored to fellowship. Confession is not a license to sin but a license to serve.

Walk in the light, for he is in the light.

The idea of 'positional truth', 'standing and state' comes not from the Bible but rather the Plymouth Brethren and Schofield Bible.
The verses I quoted have every thing to do with 'salvation'.
As you mentioned 'walking in the light', 1Jn 1:7 goes on to state that 'the Blood of His son cleanses us from all sin". The Blood of Jesus purifies us from indwelling sin or inner depravity as well as outer transgressions.

 

[GWH]

This is not quite accurate. Let me explain 1 John 3.6. This chapter/book is about Positional Truth, not salvation. So in 1 Jn 3.6 for example John is saying that those who are in Christ (that is, those who have all known sins confessed) do not sin because being in fellowship with Christ means you are not sinning but walking in the light (fellowship). When a believer is in fellowship, he can not sin because he is being guided by the Holy Spirit. The only way we (believers) can sin, is to break fellowship with Christ, to removed ourselves from walking in the light, and we walk in darkness. John is very fond of using polar opposites. He uses light/dark, sin/fellowship to name a few. It is a great teaching aide to use these technique.

Also, a good example is that which is found in James chapter 1. James says we sin when we are lured out of the light/fellowship by sinning, and our immediate responsibility is to confess the sin so we are restored to fellowship. Confession is not a license to sin but a license to serve.

Walk in the light, for he is in the light.

When a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5, Rev. 3:20), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:14-16) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13). Paul said there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5) and that anyone without the HS is unsaved (Rom. 8:9), so we must view water baptism as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS.

The prayer that is necessary in order for a saved sinner to walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). The stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received the baptism of the HS. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13). The crux of God’s Word is the Gospel of salvation (kerygma), while the secondary teachings (didache) consist of the manifold applications of the law of love (1John 3:11).

When a believer confesses sin and is refilled by the Spirit, he/she experiences divine love, joy and peace (Gal. 5:22-23). Saints should seek to become morally perfect (Matt. 5:48) or pure (Phil. 1:10& 2:15) or spiritually mature (Eph. 4:13, Phil. 3:12-15), which means to remain filled by or to be in step with the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:25) more and more of the time (Phil. 1:9, 1Thes. 4:1 &10).

 

[Burn1986]

We have many who say they can't or won't stop sinning even to when Jesus appears at the Second Coming. Are we able to overcome or not?

When the Bible says let "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: ' does this mean we can stay full of iniquity?

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

If we keep sinning will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also our sinful lives?

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


What does the Bible teach?

I’m not sure about all that but King Arab fasted and Hod answered. Also in Daniel, it says, “…n those days some
of the most gifted in God will stumble and fall, but these trials will only purify them to greater holiness.”
Point being, there is a way to humble yourself to God, regardless of who you are. We have to hear God for ourselves. If there is a verse we don’t understand, we need to pray and ask God to give us revelation.

 

[Burn1986]

^^^*King Ahab. … *God not Hod

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[EddieM]

When a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5, Rev. 3:20), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:14-16) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13). Paul said there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5) and that anyone without the HS is unsaved (Rom. 8:9), so we must view water baptism as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS.

The prayer that is necessary in order for a saved sinner to walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). The stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received the baptism of the HS. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13). The crux of God’s Word is the Gospel of salvation (kerygma), while the secondary teachings (didache) consist of the manifold applications of the law of love (1John 3:11).

When a believer confesses sin and is refilled by the Spirit, he/she experiences divine love, joy and peace (Gal. 5:22-23). Saints should seek to become morally perfect (Matt. 5:48) or pure (Phil. 1:10& 2:15) or spiritually mature (Eph. 4:13, Phil. 3:12-15), which means to remain filled by or to be in step with the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:25) more and more of the time (Phil. 1:9, 1Thes. 4:1 &10).

I agree with all you wrote. I am not too fond of using the expression Baptism of the HS, it has been converted into some strange experience that are suppose to have. The Baptism of the HS actually was something after salvation originally, but after a while, it became a symbolic ritual representing the invisible Baptism of the Holy Spirit. We don't experience the Baptism of the HS any more, since the sign gifts have ceased around 70 AD. Heb 2.3, 4 explains that the sign gifts had ceased. I would say that the sign gifts ceased in 95 AD with the death of the Apostle John.

 

[EddieM]

The idea of 'positional truth', 'standing and state' comes not from the Bible but rather the Plymouth Brethren and Schofield Bible.
The verses I quoted have every thing to do with 'salvation'.
As you mentioned 'walking in the light', 1Jn 1:7 goes on to state that 'the Blood of His son cleanses us from all sin". The Blood of Jesus purifies us from indwelling sin or inner depravity as well as outer transgressions.

You are getting closer! Positional Truth is the same as the NT expression "in Christ," in Him." Paul and John are very fond of using this expression. "in Him" has two nuances: 1) in Him as we walk this life (sanctification), when we sin, we confess it and that restores our fellowship, 2) in Him is used of our election in Eph 1. We were chosen IN HIM before the foundation of the world (this is salvation). This last in Him is critical, because we were not in him when we got saved.

 

[Burn1986]

I agree with all you wrote. I am not too fond of using the expression Baptism of the HS, it has been converted into some strange experience that are suppose to have. The Baptism of the HS actually was something after salvation originally, but after a while, it became a symbolic ritual representing the invisible Baptism of the Holy Spirit. We don't experience the Baptism of the HS any more, since the sign gifts have ceased around 70 AD. Heb 2.3, 4 explains that the sign gifts had ceased. I would say that the sign gifts ceased in 95 AD with the death of the Apostle John.

Hmm. I received the Baptism of the HS. Sounds like the “forest for the trees” If you know what I mean…

 

[GWH]

I agree with all you wrote. I am not too fond of using the expression Baptism of the HS, it has been converted into some strange experience that are suppose to have. The Baptism of the HS actually was something after salvation originally, but after a while, it became a symbolic ritual representing the invisible Baptism of the Holy Spirit. We don't experience the Baptism of the HS any more, since the sign gifts have ceased around 70 AD. Heb 2.3, 4 explains that the sign gifts had ceased. I would say that the sign gifts ceased in 95 AD with the death of the Apostle John.

Glad we agree, and perhaps you are fond of Spirit baptism defined as the gift of divine love
per Romans 5;5, 1Cor. 13 and John 13:35?

 

[Follower777]

We have many who say they can't or won't stop sinning even to when Jesus appears at the Second Coming. Are we able to overcome or not?

Let me supply a comprehensive study / understanding of " Are we able to overcome sin?" I posed this question to AI to supply a concise, logical sequence of scripture, to prove that, YES ! We can over come sin, only by the Blood & Righteousness of Jesus, the Christ.
Just so we are clear what we are talking about here; Link ~> List of SIN Bible verses
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4
Sin is transgression of God's Commandments, ALL 10, .. Including The Sabbath; Ex 20 & Matt 22:27, & John 14:15

AI response;
Yes, according to Biblical Scripture, believers can overcome sin through the power of Christ and His righteousness. The Bible presents a logical sequence of verses that demonstrate how Christ enables believers to live victorious lives over sin. Below is a scriptural sequence outlining this truth:

1. We are all born sinners, but God has provided a way for victory over sin through Christ.

• Romans 3:23 (NKJV): "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
• Romans 5:12 (NKJV): "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned."

We are all born into sin, but the Gospel provides a solution through Jesus Christ.

2. Christ was sent to save us from sin and its power.

• Matthew 1:21 (NKJV): "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."
• 1 John 3:5 (NKJV): "And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin."

Jesus came to take away our sins, demonstrating that through Him, sin can be overcome.

3. Through Christ’s death and resurrection, we are offered victory over sin.

• Romans 6:6-7 (NKJV): "Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin."
• Romans 6:11 (NKJV): "Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Through Christ's sacrifice, believers are freed from the dominion of sin, and we are empowered to live a new life in Him.

4. Victory over sin is available through living in the power of the Holy Spirit.

• Romans 8:2 (NKJV): "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
• Romans 8:13 (NKJV): "For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live."

The Holy Spirit gives believers the strength to overcome sin by empowering them to put to death sinful actions.

5. We are clothed in Christ’s righteousness, which enables us to live a holy life.

• Romans 3:22 (NKJV): "Even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference."
• 2 Corinthians 5:21 (NKJV): "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

We are made righteous in Christ, and it is through His righteousness, not our own, that we are empowered to overcome sin.

6. We are called to walk in newness of life, empowered by God’s grace.

• Romans 6:4 (NKJV): "Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
• Titus 2:11-12 (NKJV): "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age."

Through God’s grace, we are taught to deny sin and live according to God’s righteous standards.

7. We are promised help in overcoming sin and temptation.

• 1 Corinthians 10:13 (NKJV): "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."
• Hebrews 4:15-16 (NKJV): "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

God provides the strength and way of escape from sin. We can approach Him confidently for help in overcoming temptation.

8. Overcoming sin is a continuous process of growth in Christ.

• Philippians 1:6 (NKJV): "Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ."
• 1 John 1:9 (NKJV): "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Overcoming sin is a continual process where we grow in grace, relying on God’s faithfulness to forgive and cleanse us.

Conclusion:
In summary, the Bible teaches that through faith in Jesus Christ, believers are not only forgiven but also empowered to overcome sin. Christ’s righteousness is the key to victory, and through the Holy Spirit’s power, we are enabled to live according to God’s will. Though we will face temptation, God promises to provide a way of escape and continually works in us to bring us closer to His likeness.

 

[Follower777]

When the Bible says let "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: ' does this mean we can stay full of iniquity? Revelation 22:11

If we keep sinning will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also our sinful lives? 1 Corinthians 15:52

What does the Bible teach?

Conclusions drawn from 1 Corinthians 15:52 and Revelation 22:11, ... ADDING = additional biblical references that emphasize the themes of overcoming sin through Christ, the transformation of believers, and the finality of judgment at Christ's return.

1. Christ’s Victory Over Sin and the Promise of Transformation
Overcoming Sin Through Christ and His Righteousness:

• Romans 6:6-7 (NKJV): "Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin."
  • This verse reaffirms the current victory over sin through Christ’s death. The believer is empowered to live free from sin, having been crucified with Christ.
  • Overcoming sin begins now, and through Christ's sacrifice, we are freed from the bondage of sin.
• Romans 8:3-4 (NKJV): "For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
  • Christ condemned sin in the flesh, fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law for those who walk according to the Spirit, not the flesh.
  • This reinforces that victory over sin is possible through Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit.

The Promise of Complete Transformation:

• Philippians 3:20-21 (NKJV): "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself."
  • This passage confirms that Christ will transform our bodies into glorified, incorruptible bodies, just as described in 1 Corinthians 15:52. Our physical transformation into incorruption will happen when Christ returns.
• 1 John 3:2 (NKJV): "Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
  • Christ’s second coming will bring full transformation for the believer, where we will be like Him in purity and righteousness.
  • Our victory over sin is made complete when we see Him face-to-face and are fully transformed into His likeness.

2. The Finality of Judgment and the Fixedness of Spiritual States at Christ’s Return
Finality of Transformation and Judgment:

• Matthew 25:31-33 (NKJV): "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats."
  • This passage shows that Christ will judge the world at His return, separating the righteous from the wicked.
  • This judgment is final, and the eternal destinies of individuals will be determined based on their choices and actions in this life.
• Revelation 20:12-15 (NKJV): "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books."
  • The final judgment of the dead is based on their works, and this is a permanent, irreversible decision.
  • Those who have chosen righteousness through Christ will have their names in the Book of Life, while those who reject Christ will face judgment.
• 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 (NKJV): "And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ."
  • At Christ’s second coming, there is final vengeance for those who have rejected the gospel, showing the irrevocable nature of the decision made in this life.
  • Revelation 22:11 emphasizes that there is no further opportunity for change after the return of Christ. The state of the sinner or the righteous is fixed.

The Fixedness of the Spiritual Condition:

• Revelation 22:12 (NKJV): "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."
  • Christ’s return is associated with judgment and the reward of righteousness for those who have followed Him, and punishment for those who have rejected Him.
  • This verse supports the concept in Revelation 22:11 that the state of the righteous and unrighteous is fixed at the return of Christ.
• Luke 16:26 (NKJV): "And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us."
  • The concept of a “great gulf fixed” between the saved and the lost underscores that once the decision is made (in this life or at Christ’s return), there is no further opportunity for change.
  • Just as the gulf in Luke 16 is permanent, so too is the spiritual state of individuals fixed at Christ’s return, as Revelation 22:11 affirms.

Summary of the Points with Additional Scriptures:

1. Victory Over Sin in Christ:
   • Through Christ’s death and resurrection, believers are freed from sin (Romans 6:6-7) and are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live righteously (Romans 8:3-4).
   • Our final transformation is guaranteed when Christ returns, as we are made like Him in His glorified body (Philippians 3:20-21, 1 John 3:2).
2. Final Transformation at Christ’s Return (1 Corinthians 15:52):
   • Believers will be raised incorruptible and transformed into glorified bodies, free from sin and death (1 Corinthians 15:52, Philippians 3:20-21).
   • This is the ultimate fulfillment of the victory over sin promised through Christ's righteousness.
3. Final Judgment and Fixed Spiritual States (Revelation 22:11):
   • At Christ’s return, the righteous will receive their reward, and the wicked will face judgment (Matthew 25:31-33, Revelation 20:12-15).
   • Revelation 22:11 highlights the finality of one's spiritual state—there will be no further opportunity for transformation after Christ’s second coming.

Thus, the scriptures teach that overcoming sin is made possible through Christ’s righteousness, and the transformation that begins in the believer’s life will be completed at His return. This is why it is vital to seek righteousness through Christ now, as the state of one’s soul will be fixed at His return, making this the final opportunity for transformation.

 

[homwardbound]

So we will go on sinning and be full of iniquity when Christ comes to take us to heaven, I would have to disagree on that.

By, the done work of Son, we are made new in the resurrected One, as if never sinned. (Col 1:21-23) Even though ,everyone has and does sin. Over time one, anyone that believes God in the done work of Son for them and believes he is risen to teach us new, not quitting, even if ever feel to quit, these that do not quit, learn new in humility, learning to have no more guilt or pride in them only trusting Father in risen Son Jesus for them. See new as each new believer grows up unto maturity as all re Called to do (Hebrews 5:12-6-3, humbly, not forcibly or manipulatively either as religion does. Freely in love and mercy to all, as is done by Son for us all first, going to that cross without any flesh fight back at all. Then risen which made an open spectacle to those that got him killed, that saw him alive risen. Col 1 and 2.
Amazing Grace God has given for us each to stand in Thank you Father I see to stand even though all adversities, thank you

 

[CS1]

We have many who say they can't or won't stop sinning even to when Jesus appears at the Second Coming. Are we able to overcome or not?

When the Bible says let "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: ' does this mean we can stay full of iniquity?

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

If we keep sinning, will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also to our sinful lives?

What does the Bible teach?

• Truth vs legalism
• Grace vs Condemnation
• God's ability to keep you vs My ability to keep me
• Sanctification vs judgment

The word of God says in John 3:18-21
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Jesus also said believing in Him will save you in verse 16
Truth vs legalism.

A saved believer, we are taught in the word of God to address our weakness in the flesh. The flesh is not saved.

Romans 8:3-4

3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Jesus is the one person who defeated death, hell, and the grave. We are not working to achieve victory; we have Victory while we work unto the Lord. Now we must allow our fleshly mindset to be changed, which is done in the sanctification process.

Grace vs Condemnation

2Cor 12:7-10
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing, I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Paul received the greatest revelation from the Lord that could have exalted him. As many in the church seem to do today, in some areas. God used his persecution to keep him humble. This helped Paul remain in a constant mindset of his need for God, and in his own ability, there was no good thing.

Sin in our lives is different; surely God did not allow Paul to walk in sin, and mean well, my grace is going to take care of that. No.

We are to allow the word of God and the Holy Spirit to lead us to repent and surrender, and receive grace in the time we miss the mark.
God is not mocked. He knows full well if we are seeking to walk in victory over a hidden sin in our lives, instead of making excuses for the sin so it will continue and act like God doesn't see it or know our heart. Grace is only given when we humble ourselves and allow this sin to be removed by coming to the Lord; if no,t we will suffer condemnation which caused us to run and hide when the Presence of God is near. Is that not what happened in Genesis 3:8?

8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

Condemantion will cause one to run from God and blames other or somthing else for what they did. One cannot be restored when comfronted by sin that the Holy Spirit convicted one for and not humbleselves and repent. This action God will not unanswer when the heart has humbled themselves before God.

Pslams 51 is a great and powerful word and witness to a king who comited adultry and murder ans was expsed by God who knew all from the inside out. King David's repsonse was brokness and he did not blame others. He knew it wasGod he sinned againt.

Gave fogave David Yet there was the reccompensation for sin. The child died and he lost the kingdom.

We today have a great Mediator who pleads our cases as the Devil shouts condemming thing to our God of us stand before the Lord.

but we can come boldy to recieve grace becuase of our Lord. One we humble our selves we must do things to enure complate victory which many christians today do not do fully. They must seperate themselves from the very thing you have allowed to create a stronghold in your life. God wil give grace and time to do so butwe must act and respond imeditaly in faith and obediance.

Jesus said in John 10 (read the whole Chapter)
His sheep know his voice .

Is the Lord Spraking to you are you hearing him or is your own rational and eccuses for sinnful action?
God always speaks from Truth the flesh from ecuuses, the devil fromm condemnation but God always from Truth and the desire to save you and see you overcome IN HIM.

God's ability to keep you vs My ability to keep me

God is able tokeep you from falling IF you will surrender all to him. But if we keep doung what we always done and repond ro the condemnation over convition which leads us to God and back ro him we will run and sufffer acts. " I am not saved, God won't forgive me, I can't stopdoug this sin etc... These are the thoughts and mind-set of one using human fleah emotional understading and under condemation. This is not truth. It is LIE AND DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
Jude1:24-25

Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

God is not lying He is for you not against you.

Sanctification vs judgment

You who are saved are now living under grace and in the santifcation procress. You must remain humble, and allow the work of God that he has started in you to be worked out. You wuill grow in the Grace and knowledhge of the LORD

2PET 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

Colossians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 10:16

we ARE not under judgment we are under grace, and The love and patiece of God. We do not take our liberites to sin Therefore Crusifying our Lord again.
Brothers and sister This si the word of the lord which Go said for us to do such as atimr as this.

Eph4:22_24
22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

You are called tobe set- apart. = holy unto the Lord

hebrews 12:

12 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,


2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[CS1]

• Truth vs legalism
• Grace vs Condemnation
• God's ability to keep you vs My ability to keep me
• Sanctification vs judgment

The word of God says in John 3:18-21
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Jesus also said believing in Him will save you in verse 16
Truth vs legalism.

A saved believer, we are taught in the word of God to address our weakness in the flesh. The flesh is not saved.

Romans 8:3-4

3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Jesus is the one person who defeated death, hell, and the grave. We are not working to achieve victory; we have Victory while we work unto the Lord. Now we must allow our fleshly mindset to be changed, which is done in the sanctification process.

Grace vs Condemnation

2Cor 12:7-10
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing, I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Paul received the greatest revelation from the Lord that could have exalted him. As many in the church seem to do today, in some areas. God used his persecution to keep him humble. This helped Paul remain in a constant mindset of his need for God, and in his own ability, there was no good thing.

Sin in our lives is different; surely God did not allow Paul to walk in sin, and mean well, my grace is going to take care of that. No.

We are to allow the word of God and the Holy Spirit to lead us to repent and surrender, and receive grace in the time we miss the mark.
God is not mocked. He knows full well if we are seeking to walk in victory over a hidden sin in our lives, instead of making excuses for the sin so it will continue and act like God doesn't see it or know our heart. Grace is only given when we humble ourselves and allow this sin to be removed by coming to the Lord; if no,t we will suffer condemnation which caused us to run and hide when the Presence of God is near. Is that not what happened in Genesis 3:8?

8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

Condemantion will cause one to run from God and blames other or somthing else for what they did. One cannot be restored when comfronted by sin that the Holy Spirit convicted one for and not humbleselves and repent. This action God will not unanswer when the heart has humbled themselves before God.

Pslams 51 is a great and powerful word and witness to a king who comited adultry and murder ans was expsed by God who knew all from the inside out. King David's repsonse was brokness and he did not blame others. He knew it wasGod he sinned againt.

Gave fogave David Yet there was the reccompensation for sin. The child died and he lost the kingdom.

We today have a great Mediator who pleads our cases as the Devil shouts condemming thing to our God of us stand before the Lord.

but we can come boldy to recieve grace becuase of our Lord. One we humble our selves we must do things to enure complate victory which many christians today do not do fully. They must seperate themselves from the very thing you have allowed to create a stronghold in your life. God wil give grace and time to do so butwe must act and respond imeditaly in faith and obediance.

Jesus said in John 10 (read the whole Chapter)
His sheep know his voice .

Is the Lord Spraking to you are you hearing him or is your own rational and eccuses for sinnful action?
God always speaks from Truth the flesh from ecuuses, the devil fromm condemnation but God always from Truth and the desire to save you and see you overcome IN HIM.

God's ability to keep you vs My ability to keep me

God is able tokeep you from falling IF you will surrender all to him. But if we keep doung what we always done and repond ro the condemnation over convition which leads us to God and back ro him we will run and sufffer acts. " I am not saved, God won't forgive me, I can't stopdoug this sin etc... These are the thoughts and mind-set of one using human fleah emotional understading and under condemation. This is not truth. It is LIE AND DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
Jude1:24-25

Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

God is not lying He is for you not against you.

Sanctification vs judgment

You who are saved are now living under grace and in the santifcation procress. You must remain humble, and allow the work of God that he has started in you to be worked out. You wuill grow in the Grace and knowledhge of the LORD

2PET 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

Colossians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 10:16

we ARE not under judgment we are under grace, and The love and patiece of God. We do not take our liberites to sin Therefore Crusifying our Lord again.
Brothers and sister This si the word of the lord which Go said for us to do such as atimr as this.

Eph4:22_24
22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

You are called tobe set- apart. = holy unto the Lord

hebrews 12:

12 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,


2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The answer to the battle of sin in ones life is Jesus.

Dear Father I come to you in thr Name of Jesus. Forgive me for running from your presence when sin is in my life . Allowing the pleasure of sin to take place in my heart and seperate me from you. Forgive me for thinking and acting like you can not see my very action of disobediance and making exuses to continue in the sin that I have willfully did . Not wanting to recieve correction and ran from your word, fellowship and Holy Spirit. Forgive me for greieving your Holy Spirit and not obeying your word and following the Holy Spirits leading me into all Truth. I come to you now asking to be forgiven, restored and walk in the victory you have made for me. Not in my own ability but by your word and seperating myself unto you seeking your face and not just your hand. That you will create in my a clean heart one that desires you and to be in your Holy Presence eveyday . To call on you when the heat of spitiual battle is upon me and cry out to you and run to you for help and protection , not to run from you in shame and condemnation. Santify me O Lord and make my heart, eyes, hears and hands and feet all persue you as if today is the only day I have. I believe if I do this you will answer me becuase you love me and I am yours. In Jesus name I pray amen.

 

[enril]

(replying to original question)
Yes. I call it 'Dying'

 

[pinebeach]

Just to be clear, is the op putting the doctrine of 'sinless perfectionsim' forward here?

 

[Aussie52]

Just to be clear, is the op putting the doctrine of 'sinless perfectionsim' forward here?

The idea of 'sinless perfection' is that a Christian can get to a place where they CANNOT sin. This is unscriptural.
What Scripture teaches is that a Christian, by the grace of God, can reach a place where they NEED NOT sin.

 

[pinebeach]

The idea of 'sinless perfection' is that a Christian can get to a place where they CANNOT sin. This is unscriptural.
What Scripture teaches is that a Christian, by the grace of God, can reach a place where they NEED NOT sin.

OK, but I still have the same question.

 

[Blain]

If by victory one means through the cross and finnished work of Christ then yes we can and do have victory over sin if one means they will never sin again then they are mistaken because it is simply not possible in this earthly flesh to never fall short

 

[Blain]

OK, but I still have the same question.

Yes it would appear that this is the case with the op they seem to think sinless perfection is not only possible but biblical though the verses they used to prove their stance does not speak of such a thing instead they are teaching to not practice sinning

 

[Boughtwithaprice]

Are we able to overcome or not?

I hope this answers, at least in part, the heart of the question...

( a pep talk from Peter ):


"May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

For IF THESE QUALITIES are yours and ARE INCREASING, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins."

Righteousness is proportionate to your faith.

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My personal experience:

I sin about 90% LESS than I used to.

(Why? because of the following...)

I'm closer to God than I used to be.

(I've been closer in the last three years,
much closer than the previous thirty-five
years)

My faith has quadrupled in these last three years.

(I gave up $150,000 to become a nomad,
spreading the love of God, with no income)


One thing that helped me was asking Him to "teach me the 'fear of God'."

That's really key in "thwarting temptation."