Is the Messiah really the Way, and the Truth, and the Life to us personally?
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Do you realize "these words" are the words the Apostles written down which were spoken by our Lord Jesus, just as Paul wrote down the words given to him by our Lord Jesus? Jesus Himself, never wrote any words except in the dust in John 8.
All that we have in all 4 Gospels/Acts and the Epistles were words which the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles. To esteem a certain section (e.g. the Gospels) over another section (e.g. the Epistles) is a highway to heresy.
All that we have in all 4 Gospels/Acts and the Epistles were words which the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles. To esteem a certain section (e.g. the Gospels) over another section (e.g. the Epistles) is a highway to heresy.
Yes I put Yahshua/Jesus words above because YHWH says to, and Yahshua/Jesus says to
YHWH says to
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
Yahshua/Jesus says to
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
YHWH says to
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
Yahshua/Jesus says to
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
I will take what Yahshua says and the Holy Spirit brings to mind.
I will take what Yahshua says and the Holy Spirit brings to mind.
Then why does the Messiah make a point to say:
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
and what about Deut 18:18 -19?
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
and what about Deut 18:18 -19?
Luke 6:46-49,“But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? ( Luk 6:47-49, Mat 7:24-28, Luk 8:21, Joh 3:36, Jas 2:17-24) “Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: “He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. “But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
In Acts 3, Peter is addressing unsaved "men of Israel" (vv.12,13,15,19), and says that the Prophet would be "raised up" [to a position of prominence, in His earthly ministry BEFORE His death] "from among [ek] your brothers"... and the phrase "shall be destroyed from among [ek] the people" refers specifically to Israel, in this text. IOW, the point I am getting at is, you and I today do not need to "join up with Israel" in order to be "saved"...
[Gen17:14 - "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant."]
[Gen17:14 - "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant."]
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answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
Is Jesus speaking to you ? were you there?
answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
Is Jesus speaking to you ? were you there?
I was making the point that ALL the bible is FOR us , but not all the Bible is To us . Including what Jesus said . Most of what Jesus says is under the law and to Israel . No we don't reject what Jesus said . We understand what Jesus said . You would be dis obeying God/ Jesus by following everything Jesus said in the Gospels ,today .
He was speaking to His disciples and also told His disciples to teach everyone what He had taught them
Mat 28:19-20, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”
Mat 28:19-20, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”
So where did I say that? Can you show me where I said that? Because I never said that.
I believe every man of YHWH that He had write down words for our understanding had the Holy SPirit and spoke truth, with that said I also can understand this:
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
I believe every man of YHWH that He had write down words for our understanding had the Holy SPirit and spoke truth, with that said I also can understand this:
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”