Is the gospel offensive to you?
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Rom 8:1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6, For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6, For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
So...water baptism is not baptism?
Because logically, according to the verse you quoted, there is one baptism...
So if Holy Ghost baptism and water baptism are not inexplicably intertwined, it would seem that one of them is not really baptism...because there is one baptism and if water baptism and Holy Ghost are both baptism are both baptism, then that is two baptisms...
But if they are inextricably intertwined (as we find in Acts 2:38-39), then the two are one.
As I personally find that baptism is three-in-one (like the Trinity):
1) water'
2) Holy Ghost
3) fire.
Because logically, according to the verse you quoted, there is one baptism...
So if Holy Ghost baptism and water baptism are not inexplicably intertwined, it would seem that one of them is not really baptism...because there is one baptism and if water baptism and Holy Ghost are both baptism are both baptism, then that is two baptisms...
But if they are inextricably intertwined (as we find in Acts 2:38-39), then the two are one.
As I personally find that baptism is three-in-one (like the Trinity):
1) water'
2) Holy Ghost
3) fire.
Yes one baptism , the same baptism as Jesus and all His disciples did for remission of sins.
the power of anything in scripture is what the lord said about it
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:47 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
you don’t have to get baptized before you receive the spirit by belief but both are for different purposes baptism in water is what God said to do and in return he will remit your sins .
the Holy Spirit comes when you believe the gospel. The Holy Spirit doesn’t promise remission of sins baptism into Christs name does
it’s why baptism is a person confessing faith the. Going under the water and then being raised up from the water . Your being buried with Christ by faith and raised up with him by faith
your right there’s one baptism it has never changed same function and purpose and promise remission of sins according to law being baptized into his death for our sins
and raised up with him for a new life in the spirit
it’s a simple act of faith by a believer hearing and believing and the faith responds
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ……Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38, 41 KJV
it would never help if we begin hearing about baptism for remission and insist it’s not relevant. No one would bother getting baptized if we don’t believe what is said of baptism for remission of sins . But if we understand the Bible says getting baptized in Jesus name is for the remission of our sins by faith we might see it differently
everyone before the cross and after we’re baptized most people who believe the message about repentance and remission of sins Jesus sent out for us are glad to get baptized because it is a promise from ehat God said to do and have our sins remitted
it wouldn’t of course help if I say “ that’s not true “ or “ it’s not needed because of faith “
faith is when you hear and believe something and then gladly do it believing the promise like “get baptized in Jesus name and receive remission of sins “
there’s nothing in scripture that ever changes what baptism is or is for.
the power of anything in scripture is what the lord said about it
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:47 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
you don’t have to get baptized before you receive the spirit by belief but both are for different purposes baptism in water is what God said to do and in return he will remit your sins .
the Holy Spirit comes when you believe the gospel. The Holy Spirit doesn’t promise remission of sins baptism into Christs name does
it’s why baptism is a person confessing faith the. Going under the water and then being raised up from the water . Your being buried with Christ by faith and raised up with him by faith
your right there’s one baptism it has never changed same function and purpose and promise remission of sins according to law being baptized into his death for our sins
and raised up with him for a new life in the spirit
it’s a simple act of faith by a believer hearing and believing and the faith responds
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ……Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38, 41 KJV
it would never help if we begin hearing about baptism for remission and insist it’s not relevant. No one would bother getting baptized if we don’t believe what is said of baptism for remission of sins . But if we understand the Bible says getting baptized in Jesus name is for the remission of our sins by faith we might see it differently
everyone before the cross and after we’re baptized most people who believe the message about repentance and remission of sins Jesus sent out for us are glad to get baptized because it is a promise from ehat God said to do and have our sins remitted
it wouldn’t of course help if I say “ that’s not true “ or “ it’s not needed because of faith “
faith is when you hear and believe something and then gladly do it believing the promise like “get baptized in Jesus name and receive remission of sins “
there’s nothing in scripture that ever changes what baptism is or is for.
The Holy Ghost comes because of belief either before water baptism like this
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
…..Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 47-48
that shows that receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t change or eliminate getting baptized it was the first thing Peter commanded they do that received the Holy Ghost first because they believed as soon as they received the spirit Peter asks the Jews “ can any man forbid them to be baptized in water ?” Since they also receive the spirit like us ?
it was also the first thing paul did after his conversion Acts 9:17-18
Or the Holy Ghost can come also after one is baptized for remission
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
whether we get baptized first and then receive the spirit or receive e spirit because we believe the gospel and then get baptized for remission of sins they are for different purposes . Baptism into death the spirit gives new life in the kingdom
there’s no promise of the Holy Ghost remitting sin but the death of Christ does
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
…..Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 47-48
that shows that receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t change or eliminate getting baptized it was the first thing Peter commanded they do that received the Holy Ghost first because they believed as soon as they received the spirit Peter asks the Jews “ can any man forbid them to be baptized in water ?” Since they also receive the spirit like us ?
it was also the first thing paul did after his conversion Acts 9:17-18
Or the Holy Ghost can come also after one is baptized for remission
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
whether we get baptized first and then receive the spirit or receive e spirit because we believe the gospel and then get baptized for remission of sins they are for different purposes . Baptism into death the spirit gives new life in the kingdom
there’s no promise of the Holy Ghost remitting sin but the death of Christ does
It's offensive and foolishness to the nonelects.
1 Corinthians 1:18
New King James Version
18 For the [a]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (nonelects), but to us (God's elects) who are being saved it is the power of God.
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-except-christian-stuff.199651/#post-4600281
1 Corinthians 1:18
New King James Version
18 For the [a]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (nonelects), but to us (God's elects) who are being saved it is the power of God.
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-except-christian-stuff.199651/#post-4600281