Is masturbation really a sin?

[Edward429451]

Do all of us Christians understand that we are never alone on this earth?

Everyone has a Guardian Angel, a scribe Angel, and our Lord Jesus (who is in the Father and the Father in Him, so Father's there too) and His Holy Spirit is always with us and watching us and recording all of our deeds in the flesh and all of our words. Encouraging us and bringing grace and mercy upon us.

There will be a judgment day where we must account for our deeds and words. So even unbelievers are not alone! Never have been! There is no such thing as Privacy on earth and never has been. So if one chooses to masturbate, I hope they understand that they will be forcing the Lord to watch them. That seems rude in my book.

 

[DeanM]

I recall telling the boys if they wanted to make some money they could go to the nearby (within 20 miles,) lake resort and bait fishing hooks for the rich folks. If they got good enough they could charge more as master baiters.

 

[Ceph]

No, in itself it shouldn't be.
God created sexual feelings as much as every other feeling. I know that I've had them since I was too young to understand what they meant. But there's a difference between acting out of licentious or out of cleanly affection.
Abraham and David had multiple concubines, and who will say that they're better off on terms with God than them? The concubines were righteous women themselves.
God hasn't changed since then. He's not suprised at all when one sex has to 'release' hot feelings about the other.
The problem is when those feelings involve violence, evil sorts of lewdness, or ortherwise encompasses someone's life to the point where it makes them defective. In my experience, bottling up and repressing things only causes bitterness.
Not all men have something to worry about repressing, but those who do aught to have some rights, especially if there's no woman around to help them out.

 

[CS1]

No, in itself it shouldn't be.
God created sexual feelings as much as every other feeling. I know that I've had them since I was too young to understand what they meant. But there's a difference between acting out of licentious or out of cleanly affection.
Abraham and David had multiple concubines, and who will say that they're better off on terms with God than them? The concubines were righteous women themselves.
God hasn't changed since then. He's not suprised at all when one sex has to 'release' hot feelings about the other.
The problem is when those feelings involve violence, evil sorts of lewdness, or ortherwise encompasses someone's life to the point where it makes them defective. In my experience, bottling up and repressing things only causes bitterness.
Not all men have something to worry about repressing, but those who do aught to have some rights, especially if there's no woman around to help them out.

this is the issue with those who see what descriptive vs is what is a normative. Kings had privileges that other common man did not. God and Jesus both affirmed Gen 2: 24 and Mathews 19 that men were to have one wife and women one husband.

That is the standard there is no good godly example of kings who had concubines and 100 wives.

 

[Ceph]

this is the issue with those who see what descriptive vs is what is a normative. Kings had privileges that other common man did not. God and Jesus both affirmed Gen 2: 24 and Mathews 19 that men were to have one wife and women one husband.

That is the standard there is no good godly example of kings who had concubines and 100 wives.

There is a man who burns with passion, who gazes at a woman that he sees, and conspires to sexually defile her in his mind.

Then there is a man who burns with passion, but imagines a woman who never existed; and for the sake of keeping is mind from disturbing him around real women, releives himself to his thoughts in secret, trusting that it's for the benefit of himself between him & God.

Describe the shame that the latter may encounter on the day of judgment.

 

[Edward429451]

this is the issue with those who see what descriptive vs is what is a normative. Kings had privileges that other common man did not. God and Jesus both affirmed Gen 2: 24 and Mathews 19 that men were to have one wife and women one husband.

That is the standard there is no good godly example of kings who had concubines and 100 wives.

Well there was Solomon and he had 700 wives and 300 concubines? He did a lot of good for the Lord and for God's people, but when he began lusting after so many women the women did turn him away from the Lord.

And Solomon was the wisest man to ever live? I have to laugh at that sort of because I could only handle one wife and 700 sounds insane to me! Maybe he could afford it? Lol.

 

[decipher]

Well there was Solomon and he had 700 wives and 300 concubines? He did a lot of good for the Lord and for God's people, but when he began lusting after so many women the women did turn him away from the Lord.

And Solomon was the wisest man to ever live? I have to laugh at that sort of because I could only handle one wife and 700 sounds insane to me! Maybe he could afford it? Lol.

Most of those wives were not Israelites but pagans. These wives had their own gods that they worshipped, and just like most married man trying to appease their wives, he succumbed to joint worship of some of their gods.

 

[presidente]

Everyone has a Guardian Angel, a scribe Angel, and our Lord Jesus (who is in the Father and the Father in Him, so Father's there too) and His Holy Spirit is always with us and watching us and recording all of our deeds in the flesh and all of our words. Encouraging us and bringing grace and mercy upon us.

Can you show us where the Bible teaches that each person has a guardian angel and a scribe angel? Did God tell you that this is the case? Did He tell someone else? Did God or an angel tell you that this was the case? How could you know this?

 

[Mordy]

Awesome explanation, there are physical/medical benefits to human health from what i glean.
blessings

No, that's absolutely not true.
There are no actual health benefits from masturbating. Basic wisdom, honest, scriptural evaluation, honest evaluation of others experience as well as your own will show you that anybody who is masturbating is generally living in sin and abusing their own body. They are often addicted and depressed and unsatisfied. Not only so they are unable to have enough energy to do their work and exercise because they are thinking lustful thoughts. Generally, it becomes an addiction and is an extension from other addictive and other idolatrous behaviour. It is clear to me that if the Lord is telling you that looking merely looking at a woman lustfully is a sin, that looking lustfully is an adulterous or fornicating act., then clearly any masturbation is also by extension the same kind of sin. Do not be deceived by modern medical explanations of "release". Your capacity will not be diminished, your sex drive will not be inhibited in an unhealthy way. This is absolute rubbish to believe it's good for you.

The fact is that better self control you have over your body the more self-control you will have in your job and your responsibilities and your ability to take care of a woman and by extension have a healthy sexual relationship within the covenant bond. Furthermore, for all the young men that I have counselled and by my own experience, it is absolutely destructive to one's ability to find a mate, and within the bond of marriage, it is destructive to the covenant bond and deprives your wife who is the one who owns your body. You absolutely do not have a right to masturbate if you are with the covenant bond first of all to your Lord and to your wife. It also applies if you're not married because your covenant is with the Lord, who owns you and your body. Call on the name of the Lord and ask for discernment in this matter so that you understand the truth of this very destructive sin.

Be delivered of the guilt of the past, but do not continue in your sin. If the woman caught in adultery was given the grace of God, as is clear by the words of Jesus, do not forget that the Lord told her afterwards to "go and sin no more."

By all that is good in love and marriage and singleness, I urge you brothers do not equivocate when it comes to this modern justification to accept masturbation. It is unhealthy and destructive; beware. You can also listen to very good Derek Prince messages about being liberated from demons of lust and masturbation. I believe that I have been delivered from demonic oppression that kept me in a cycle of lust and is what brought destruction in my relationships and particularly in my relationship to the Lord. Depend on the Lord. Call on the Lord and you will be healed.

 

[Daisy2]

Can you show us where the Bible teaches that each person has a guardian angel and a scribe angel? Did God tell you that this is the case? Did He tell someone else? Did God or an angel tell you that this was the case? How could you know this?

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Psalm 91:11-12

 

[Mordy]

Personally , I don't believe that it is a sin . Anyone who has read the Bible thoroughly and regularly for any length of time , can tell u , that God is very clear about what He considers to b sin and masturbation isn't on the list . It is very easy for those of us who r married and r able to make live with our spouses to tell others how they should not give in to their natural desires . How dare we ? ! Without sexual desire there would b no humans . When I was single I had a lot of self control but others r different , we r not all exactly the same . When natural sexual desire us repressed it can cause all kinds of abhorrent sexual deviancies , just look at the catholic church !

This is absolute nonsense. Masturbation is destructive and therefore sinful. Natural sexual desire is good within the bonds of marriage alone. Outside the bond of marriage you can recognize that you feel sexually attracted to somebody but you must make every thought captive to the love is that is in Christ Jesus, which means controlling yourself and not bringing destruction and addiction on yourself through entertaining lustful thoughts. Do not sin against your own body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. If you are captivated by this sin, find help, confess your sin, be prayed for and anointed by the elders to be healed and to break this destructive oppression on your life from the enemy. It is demonic. Be forgiven, but sin no more.

 

[Edward429451]

Can you show us where the Bible teaches that each person has a guardian angel and a scribe angel? Did God tell you that this is the case? Did He tell someone else? Did God or an angel tell you that this was the case? How could you know this?

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[Mordy]

Thank you for your input about this topic! I've spoken out about this before and I was just not in the mood to do it this time lol.
I've heard Christians tell other Christians that they are going to hell for self pleasure. That really gets on my nerves. They have no right to do that.
Or that Christians who have this input have a problem, etc. etc.
Well, I think your input is refreshing! Much appreciated!

I find it disturbing that you would give credence to these lies. This kind of lust is a sin of the flesh and a sin against your own body, which is a temple of the Holy Spirit if you have received the Holy Spirit. Use discernment and be liberated. Confess your sin and be healed.

 

[shittim]

This is absolute nonsense. Masturbation is destructive and therefore sinful. Natural sexual desire is good within the bonds of marriage alone. Outside the bond of marriage you can recognize that you feel sexually attracted to somebody but you must make every thought captive to the love is that is in Christ Jesus, which means controlling yourself and not bringing destruction and addiction on yourself through entertaining lustful thoughts. Do not sin against your own body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. If you are captivated by this sin, find help, confess your sin, be prayed for and anointed by the elders to be healed and to break this destructive oppression on your life from the enemy. It is demonic. Be forgiven, but sin no more.

That post sounds like a person who has been browbeaten by religion his whole life. I see no part that aligns with Galatians c5 v22&23.
Catholic?

 

[Mordy]

I have a lot of trouble fighting this. I don’t have many people I can talk to about this, which is why I came here. It almost reminds me of, in genesis, when the serpent asked eve ‘did God really say not to eat the fruit?’ That’s my mind, it’s like ‘did God really say it’s a sin?’ how can I fight this more? How can I purge this from myself?

I will pray for you.
And I continue to pray for good marriages and healthy relationship relationships. I have had incredible healing in my life and been delivered from this demonic oppression. Sadly part of it brought me to be separated from my wife. Please pray for me to be reconciled to my wife and to my children. However, I am incredibly happy to be dedicated to the Lord now for a long time, even though I am praying that my wife can see my dedication to the Lord in a renewed manner. So what I am saying here is that you want to get your act together before you destroy any potential future relationship. Do not do what I did and didn't deal with it in a radical enough manner.

So there are a lot of things you can do. Do not go on your computer in a quiet room by yourself. Avoid being alone and call friends. Find some good men in the church and confess your sin to them and be prayed for and healed. Get yourself into a gym and when you're in the gym, do not look at other women and maybe listen to a good Christian podcast or Christian music as you exercise. Or if you don't wanna go to a gym at least find a way to exercise. Spend a lot of time in the word. For me listening to the Bible app has helped me tremendously and I am getting to know the Bible much better than I ever thought I knew. I've fallen in love with the word and the spirit and not my flesh. So "spirit gives birth to spirit and flesh gives birth to flesh" says the scripture, so you want to give birth to the spirit to overcome the flesh. There are many other "tricks" you can use. If you need to avoid conversations with women then do so. Do not go into any perverted chat rooms, or get off of every single dating website that could lead you astray simply by chatting. I have known people who were addicted to just the high of chatting about sex and that would lead into their masturbation. And even if you don't masturbate, but you are allowing yourself to be justified because I'm not masturbating but I'm just chatting about sex and that's normal but it's not because it's not appropriate. If you are even minimally attracted to a woman and you know that it's an impossible relationship that you cannot pursue wholesomely then do not make eye contact even with such a woman. The scripture also says "I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a woman"....

Some guys get an app to keep accountable called "covenant eyes" Which allows them to have their phone checked out once in a while through snapshot to see if you're looking at pornography. So you have to overcome those issues and you can because the Lord has equipped you. The Bible says "God has not given you a spirit of fear but of love and of power and of a sound mind" so what you need to do is recognize that you have the power given to you by the Lord to overcome all such sin. I urge you to act now and find the joy of being in the Lord's blessing and perhaps one day you will be in a satisfying relationship, but it will be nothing compared to the relationship you have with the Lord and the peace you have the Lord.

If you do not have that peace and self control now then you will bring your mess into a relationship and that will spell disaster.

Be blessed and know that I am praying for you. There is power in the name of Jesus, my brother. I love you and so does the Lord even more. I understand your pain.

 

[shittim]

That post sounds like a person who has been browbeaten by religion his whole life. I see no part that aligns with Galatians c5 v22&23.
Catholic?

Lutheran? It was the religionists who crucified the Savior.

 

[Mordy]

I find it disturbing that you would give credence to these lies. This kind of lust is a sin of the flesh and a sin against your own body, which is a temple of the Holy Spirit if you have received the Holy Spirit. Use discernment and be liberated. Confess your sin and be healed.

It's shocking to me that anyone would disagree with the need to be liberated from sexual sin. I sincerely question whether you have submitted yourself to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, who is clear in these matters.

 

[Mordy]

That post sounds like a person who has been browbeaten by religion his whole life. I see no part that aligns with Galatians c5 v22&23.
Catholic?

I don't know why you were here trolling what is genuine scripture and truth

 

[Daisy2]

Tim makes a good point not be legalistic in our approach. the bible is like a road map to best way of living without harming ourselves. there is a reason the early church would push out believers that where still living in sin. Its not good for the person they are susceptible to demon possession. and God knows this that's why its written.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Matthew 12:44-45

being baptized and repenting and committing to a life where we try our very best to not willfully sin. is an important to be an vessel of the holy spirit. Now some here believe that the holy spirit can reside in the same vessel as a demon It unbiblical for when

"But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." 1 Samuel 16:14

 

[Mordy]

I don't know why you were here trolling what is genuine scripture and truth

Furthermore, the passage you quoted does not justify anything that you have been promoting in this thread. All of that fruit must be one fruit together; there is no one without the other, and is impossible without self control, which is clearly indicated in the production of such good fruit. Self-control involves, making every thought captive to the love that is in Christ Jesus, and not destroying the body through self-abuse. Sin against the body is a serious sin as your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. I pray that you will be liberated from this terribly self-destructive sin.