I’ll check out Psalm 91.
Thanks again @Edward429451 .
You’ve been a real servant leader here lately. I’m sure God is really proud of who you’ve become.
Is masturbation really a sin?
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I’ll check out Psalm 91.
Thanks again @Edward429451 .
You’ve been a real servant leader here lately. I’m sure God is really proud of who you’ve become.
Quote you and me where you said that and that was my response. That is not my recollection of the conversation, nor what I see above.
I do not see where scripture condemns masturbation. If you believe it is in a sin, then it would be immoral for you to do it.
It's not something I encourage others to do. But I don't see justification from scripture to condemn people over it, to call them sinners, to point fingers at them.
In the Old Testament, if a Hebrew man in a war camp had an emission, he wasn't executed or fined. He had to wash and be unclean until evening, the same thing a man who had an emission from intercourse would have, and in a war camp situation be outside the camp. It's a night, so 'wet dreams' could occur, but if it were self-induced instead of occurring while he slept---which isn't specified-- there is no mention of a penalty or sin offering for it.
The point it is possible for one to quote scripture that doesn't prove the point and act like one has proven a point.
Scientifically, it doesn't qualify as a sexual act. It's more a-sexual. I think you might be holding too closely to the turn of phrase of a gloss in an interlinear rather than what words mean. Fornication has to do with whoring. A virginity losing her virginity outside of marriage is whoring-- playing the harlot. There is a list of sexual sins that were sins for Gentiles also in Leviticus 18 and 20. Masturbation isn't listed.
I don't know who Ralph Wiggim is, and maybe you like to be in control of other people, but I don't have to jump through whatever hoops you lay out. I'll give my own answers.
I'm already talking about this kind of stuff in mixed company, but it's Bible discussion, so I'm cool with that. I don't have to talk here about my childhood.
Keep a pure conscience before God and find a wife. If you have an active sex life with your wife, then masturbation isn't that appealing. Though that might not be the case for porn addicts. If you haven't found a godly woman to marry, pray more intensely about it.
I don't know of any specific advice for your friend beyond praying for him and sharing the Gospel.
1. I have a pure concience
2. I don’t have a wife nor am I looking
3. I have no desire to masturbate
4. I’m not a porn addict nor do I have a desire to look at porn
5. I can do without a wife at the moment. I’m sure she’ll come at the perfect time because God’s plans are usually perfect for me since I surrendered my life to Jesus and Jesus resides in me, thus I am God’s child.
6. When it comes to my friend, I’m sure I’ll figure things out. My old friends are usually very uncomfortable around me because of my growth in Christ because they usually aren’t saved. They project what they remember about the old me, on me; instead of respecting the man I am today because ultimately, they don’t want to see me grow and neither does almost anyone I come across.
They either haven’t grown as much or still stuck in the same realities that I left them in.
I'll pray for godly Christian friends for you. I had to leave my old friends too.
To be honest, I don't miss them.
I found when I quit going to bars I didnt have many friends. 
My wife was my best friend and we made friends in church.
My wife was my best friend and we made friends in church.
I'll pray for godly Christian friends for you. I had to leave my old friends too.
To be honest, I don't miss them.
Thank you @2ndTimeIsTheCharm . Jesus wasn’t a push over.
So many people excuse the sins they continue to do and never seem to repent. It’s okay to love and leave people. Jesus wasn’t a people pleaser. People can be loved from a distance through the body of Christ.
There is one friend who was getting help but of for (for the third time) goes straight back to doing meth and having immoral sex with a woman with three children from three different fathers.
Hey, that is the truth, which means you have to fight this as many men do with what God has given us. If we can't live a victorious life as Christians, then the word of God is not True? Let's rip out Romans chapters 6 through seven.
Yu have a pattern. Admit Nothing, Deny Everything, Make Counter-Accusations...lol. You're dancing all over the place with your conversation and I'm trying to ask you one simple question.
Do you think that Masturbation is sexually immoral?
I agree with you and also ask you a question:
Would Masturbation be Immoral for you yourself to do it?
I made a very good point. Are you denying the truth of God's word?
Neither one of us are scientists and we weren't discussing Science. We were discussing the Spiritual, and what God's Word says about Masturbation.
Can you stick to the topic and please answer the questions that I have Bolded, Italicized, and Underlined in my post?
Well Brother, we're just two guys talking and...you got ribbed by some guy. Well I did that because you ribbed me Lol. You get that sometimes. But you didn't "offend" me (Lol). It's just two guys talking and so what? I didn't think I could offend an old geezer like you!
I'm an even older geezer than you are! I'm 63!
So you don't have to play any victim cards lol.
I wasn't sure if you'd get the reference or not. Ralph Wiggim is a character on the Simpsons. I used to watch the Simpsons before it turned gay.
Agreed!Thank you. Now, will you please answer the bolded questions for me in the post. That's critical to the conversation because it involves scripture. If we dis agree on what a passage means we need to dig into that and see wherein is the difficulty. I might be wrong or you might be wrong.
My view is, Masturbation is Sinful. And I can show it with scripture.
Your view is, Masturbation is ok. Let's see your scripture brother or explain to me why and how I misinterpreted the passage I posted!
Let's get down to this.
Your response here doesn't make a lot of sense to me based on what I wrote. I don't even think I had myself in mind when I wrote that.
I think we are going in circles in the conversation at this point.
Btw, if you can show it with scripture, go ahead. I haven't found your arguments that scripture mentions the topic convincing so far.
The conversation is going in circles because you wont answer a few simple questions.
That's very curious to me. You don't answer any questions, and you insist that I am wrong, but you can't explain why or where and can't even show any scriptures that prove your view, or even suggest it.
Why is that? Why would someone do that? The only thing I can think of which makes sense is, hidden sin in ones life.
Yeah, me & you should prolly drop the subject with each other because we know how each other feels about it and you and your circular reasoning inhibits progression of anything which may be edifying to anyone.
I already did and you say I am wrong, but you wont address the scripture to say how I am wrong.
If your going to say someone's post is wrong, then you have to be able to show why they are wrong, specifically. You can't do that and give an academic answer. So your responses come across as...Uh-Uhh!!! Which in no way invalidates my point(s) that I made.
I asked you if Masturbation is sexually immoral to YOU. and you wont even answer that!
(Does your wife know?)
It is a Sin?
God's laws are now written on the Tablets of our hearts.
1. When you carry out the act, how to you feel, can you approach God peacefully?
2. It is highly addictive. it involve pleasure hormones which are very addictive
3. It brings a lot of evil spirits in your life.
The Bible does not say directly, but we know that Er was killed for "spilling his seed" and God as not pleased. Also, there is the thought process of the matter. We are told we have the mind of Christ.our thoughts are to pure and holy because God is holy. Who is thinking holy thoughts while masturbating. Our temple is to be holy and pure. Not corrupt with vile thoughts.
@Edward429451 You argument is basically that the word translated 'sexual immorality' or whatever other word includes masturbation. I'm pointing out that the Bible breaks down forbidden sexual acts in Old and New Testament scriptures without mentioning masturbation. If you want to draw a hard conclusion from that and condemn people as sinning and accuse them of having demons over that, that's up to you.
Btw, did you feel demons leaving your fingers?
This was the first I heard about Derek Prince, but I remember one of those books by the late Rebecca Brown says that if someone gets a demon in their hand you have to anoint the hand with oil in the direction of the end of the fingers to get it out. Those books could get really weird and a lot of it had little to do with scripture, and some misinterpreted scripture. And of course, if what she wrote were her true experiences, she was getting information about the spirit world from an occult practitioner and slapping out of context Bible verses onto her 'discoveries'.
Btw, did you feel demons leaving your fingers?
This was the first I heard about Derek Prince, but I remember one of those books by the late Rebecca Brown says that if someone gets a demon in their hand you have to anoint the hand with oil in the direction of the end of the fingers to get it out. Those books could get really weird and a lot of it had little to do with scripture, and some misinterpreted scripture. And of course, if what she wrote were her true experiences, she was getting information about the spirit world from an occult practitioner and slapping out of context Bible verses onto her 'discoveries'.
2 Peter 2:12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.
13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!
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2 Peter 2:17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Now #2 is a true statement through and through. It illustrates the physical reactions of our body. And our brain records all the pleasure and everything and once you take your brain somewhere, he remembers and wants to go back to that amusement park (or drug). Boom you're addicted.
4. Nevertheless, there is a spiritual aspect to our beings also, I think we all know that, lol. And from my understanding what happens spiritually when one does the act is (I think I got this from Derek Prince?), that the evil spirit steals the pleasure from the person and replaces it with condemnation. So they always wind up feeling guilty and disappointed in themselves that they couldn't stop themselves from doing it. And of course they decline from approaching the Lord afterwards. And you know their conscience is telling them they did wrong also. So what do they do then? Talk about it in threads online looking for justification and loopholes!
Am I right? I think I am.