Is masturbation really a sin?
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maybe I could but I have stated from the beginning and many post which maybe you have seen or not that: self-gratification is not the cause but the effects of something deeper. I think some have a desire to do this sexual act and are just defending it.
Mathew 5:28-30 Jesus is very clear. The fact that self-gratification is not mentioned doesn't mean the action is not sinful or ungodly.
That was explained very well by me and others. after many posts later the same thing is being said while sifting through trolls and perverted comments, and secular humanism mindsets.
The context of word Desire and LUST ae not the same when desire is used can have a bad connotation, but lust always does in scripture when used.
Excellent answer ... but people will always seek to rationalize a sin they want to hold to.
This is a great example of making excuses for what one fully knows is wrong to do.
"I would imagine it does in many cases, but what about other reasons-- stress relief or physical pressure, desire for release... other stuff that could make a man want to have sex with his wife besides seeing her come out of the shower."
This is comment is very telling.
this statement and question:
"Also, a lot of homosexuals drink coffee. I don't know the stats, but I've read 90+ percent... maybe high 90's of men have done this to themselves. What percentage of them are adulterers, fornicators, or homosexuals? The percentage of homosexuals has gone up as this has been promoted on TV and at schools... but back in the 1980's, there weren't as many of them."
Is your point to justify sexual perversion and simplify two men engaged in sexual sin as drinking coffee?
And I should explain myself better? IF you have not noticed today grown men dress as women and read books in libraries. Sexual abuses are at an all-time high. The law of the land protects sexual sin and public school indoctrinate them. all this came to be from what? men were introduced to something that allowed them to have access to much exposure. The overwhelming addictions that I have seen and counsel men for and their stories are extremely telling.
Wow, you don't see where it says "avoid such people"? We don't avoid going to Heaven, but those going to Hell.
Hi phoenix. I can't tell by the name if you're male or female. I'm male, and can only give you the common sense and biblical perspective coming from a male. Let me know. I believe I have the answer you're looking for, if you're male.
I've seen some lookers at Lowe's. I didn't look to closely tho cuz I'm married (happily).I dont know about that. Ive seen some lookers at Home Depot.
Sexual Imoorality means gay, lesbain, beast, plants. This reminds me of a scripture that did directly quote masterbation. but just a moment. 'Or any kind of impurity'. Idols.
In the old testiment, God said to isreal, that I came to you when it was your time for love. But I found out you had defiled yourself with images of man. It is a very good description of a dildo. God then talked about the punishment Israel was going to have because of it. God was of course talking about Israel worshiping idols, and not him. It was a parable. I am sorry, I cannot point to the location. Maybe someone can help?
Ezekiel 16:17 17You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them.
Search this scripture out. This will tell you once and for all how God felt about masterbation.
But some of you will still justify this sin.
Search this scripture out. This will tell you once and for all how God felt about masterbation.
But some of you will still justify this sin.
I’m not too sure we’re able to make masturbation a godly spiritual act or anything . But this thread was asking the readers in a public forum to offer thier thoughts about it . I feel like I’ve made mine pretty clear
masturbation wasn’t one of my struggles with sin honestly but I had many of my own in life. And really a lot that we do not any upright that’s the place we find where we need to repent . One man’s struggle is sexual lust anothers is greed and love of money anothers is pride based another man struggles with anger and emotions which motivate actions ect like lust does or pride does or greed does
Our place to take control is on our hearts when we realize our minds are wandering into thoughts they shouldn’t we can actually choose to stop and redirect our thinking that’s ultimately what leads to our actions . A heart like this
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-
We need to begin to accept what’s not okay and what is approved by the lord. That’s the thing that moves us to change our mind goes from being comfortable in our sin to understanding that sin is satans Will for us and leads us to death. Then there’s something to make us uncomfortable living in sin so we begin to acknolwedge and confess it from our heart knowing this is sinful ( whatever the area we’re struggling with is ) and we find ourselves reaching out to God for help with the situation
wheras if we just pretend our sinful actions are okay and not an issue , we remain comfortable in sin never acknowledging it’s satans Will and leads to death . Without accepting truth we’ll never come to that frame of mind and find repentance
as we acknowledge our own sins a lot happens in Christ most of us really don’t ever do that but it’s then that we understand remission of sins and it’s value , when we come to the realization of our own sins and the reuslt of following that same path we have before
Sexual immorality can even be just lustful intentions in our heart fantasizing about wicked things ect those things are not clean and don’t belong in The place where God dwells
Yes precisely, this is the scripture I was wanting to show. I had forgotten about it, read it one time long long ago.
Nobody has said that our attitudes aren't changed.... of course they are, or should be.
What I was pointing out was the "righteous perfection" that many in this discussion claim, overtly or covertly.
I simply pointed out that it's not as simple as "just say no" .... being human, we have weaknesses, and failings... famously described by the writer of much of the New Testament, and its teachings of repentence and obedience.... Romans 7....
15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Yeah try reading from Roman’s 6 - 8 though your reading just the problem and no part of the solution
chapter 6 before Paul’s explaining the issue
“God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:2-7, 11 KJV
a lot of times people wuote parts of chaoter 7 insisting this is just how it is but Paul’s point is that leads to death
lets read some more of 6
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.”
Romans 6:12-17
That way when we get to chapter 7 we won’t think Paul’s saying “ we’re not capable “ he’s already explained we’ve been made able and new through baptism into Christ ….or let’s read some of 8 after Paul tells us the issue
“O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
Romans 7:24 KJV
that’s what he’s describing in chapter seven then back to the solution he began discussing in chapter 6
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
….Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:1, 12-13 KJV
The thing is as long as we believe we can’t live right and overcome we won’t be able to . Faith works that way that’s why the scripture seeks to change our minds about sin because we can’t be saved while serving the devils Will which is sin
again, you are trying to put words in my mouth...
I never said, nor would I say that we are incapable of becoming more Christ-like.... I am simply saying that no matter how hard we try, there will still be failures. The key is to not just accept your failures as un-stoppable, but work and strive to be better every day.... try to (with the Spirit's help) achieve perfection.... even though it's impossible.
But to blithely state that all you have to do is "don't sin anymore" is not all there is to the story.... especially with newer believers. If you convince them that once they are saved, they should never fall to temptation is doing them a dis-service, spiritually.
They need to be taught that "perfection" is the goal, but to not lose hope when they fall short.... because they most certainly will.
again, you are trying to put words in my mouth...
“I never said, nor would I say that we are incapable of becoming more Christ-like.”
yeah I never said you did lol … so who’s putting words in whos mouth ? I actually haven’t said anything about what “ you’ve said “ I was making the point that people talking about the need for repentance and obedience in life isn’t something we should then respond with “ those sanctimonious pious people talking about how we need to act right “
that’s what I was saying if we view sin as something we just do all the time and God doesn’t tell us we need to stop doing ……that’s the wrong view we should take the view that’s taught in scripture regarding sin that’s the very thing that makes us “ more Christ like “
When we accept his judgements and teachings for what they are like this
“but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:28 KJV
we shouldn’t say “ well all men do this all the time and it’s not something we should ever talk about stopping “ instead we should accept Jesus judgements . It would probably be hard for a person to become aroused and need to masturbate if they weren’t thinking lustful sexual thoughts in thier mind and heart huh ?
thats why jesus taught what he taught and kept saying believe me and you’ll live .
we should accept what’s there
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:”
Hebrews 12:14 KJV
That’s all I’m saying to speak about Christian’s needing to stop living in sin and follow after holiness things tbat are acceptable to God isn’t something Christian’s should have any issue with . And certainly doesn’t make people pious and sanctimonious and judgemental .
It boils down to who’s actually willing to accept the things they don’t want to hear that are clearly there. We need to learn to view sin for what it is or we’ll never stop that’s always been our issue “ the fruit won’t cause death “ it’s not true though sin will cause death