Is masturbation really a sin?

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Phoenix1708 said:
Excuse the crude nature of this post, I just have really been struggling with this lately. Is it a sin? Where is the line drawn?
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Would you do it in Gods presence ?

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭
 
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hornetguy said:
Like it or not, there are probably justifiable reasons for some masturbation.... doesn't make it "right" or "wrong"... just is what it is.
Too many pious people here that think that everything we do, minute by minute should only be done "to the glory of God".... Is drinking that extra Dr Pepper being done to the glory of God? How bout the FIRST Dr Pepper? What about making un-necessary trips back and forth to Home Depot, spending money on gas unnecessarily? Is THAT to the glory of God....

Good grief.... we as believers are to do the best we can, with our very human abilities and limitations... not all of us can live up to the standard of sinless perfection like many of you here claim to have.... not pointing any fingers, but it's easy to armchair quarterback OTHER people's lives... "Lord I thank you that I am not like that sinner over there....."
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It doesn't matter for me if I like or not it only matter if it is godly. to say there is nothing right or wrong with an action is to suggest there is not cause of effect of that action. That is not true. And to say "there are too many pious people" which is deflection from the issue is very telling me. If your understanding is that drinking Doctor Pepper is anyway associated with the spirit of Lust that has taken many men of God down who admittedly said Masturbation was what they started with when there seeking online porno. Then led them to other venues of sexual addiction. The argument of Home Depot and spending gas because of to many trips is in somehow going to lead one to have the spirit of lust is ridicules. Simplifying sexual addiction by equating it to overuse of gas?


Sexual perversion took Down:
  • Samson = whores and drunkenness
  • David Adultery and murder
  • Salomon sexual perversion and idolatry
  • Amnon Rape and incest
all sound like Dr. Pepper and too much gas to me too.
 
CS1 said:
Many here are well focused on the psychical action of "Self-Gratification." Just because the Bible doesn't speak of a sin by name, one should be able to discern if that act is praiseworthy or godly. The action is the effect of the root cause of something.
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Well, I think that's because that is the specific question asked in the OP; they didn't ask about pornography, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, or any other deviant behavior.

It seems to me like you've seen instances where these sins are consistently related to that behavior and made them equivalent in the same way gun control advocates have seen shootings and say "all these shooters had guns; therefore all people with guns must just want to shoot people".
 
SomeDisciple said:
Well, I think that's because that is the specific question asked in the OP; they didn't ask about pornography, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, or any other deviant behavior.

It seems to me like you've seen instances where these sins are consistently related to that behavior and made them equivalent in the same way gun control advocates have seen shootings and say "all these shooters had guns; therefore all people with guns must just want to shoot people".
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Cause and effect the action one's does was caused by something motivation, addiction, and sin left unchecked produces more sin of greater depravity. something simple as self-gratification has in today's culture produced godly actions or ungodly.

Again, if the spirit of lust or lust is no different than gun control or gas usages. Take it up with Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30.

You know fully well that this action is not godly or maybe you don't. I love the switch and bait tactic though.
 
CS1 said:
Again, if the spirit of lust or lust is no different than gun control or gas usages. Take it up with Jesus in
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I'm not likening masturbation to guns, though- I'm likening your logic to theirs. That's not bait and switch. It is the exact same logic.

I think you just don't have a good explanation, so you're taking shortcuts.
 
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Brasspen said:
So I guess you will have sex with your wife in God's thrown room with him there.

'Are you watching? ARE you watching?'
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God did ordain sex between a man and wife, and of course family which that creates . not sure he ordains satisfying the lusts of the flesh from the lusts built up in our hearts through masturbation tbough

I would think there’s a difference in something God ordains and is the means of creating human lives.

And satisfying the lusts of our flesh and hearts. Masterbation is a way to satisfy the sexual imaginations and lusts we have inside . Not to sure those are good in the same category.

sex isn’t unholy within Gods word , lust is and all the sexual perversions of mankind are.
 
SomeDisciple said:
I'm not likening masturbation to guns, though- I'm likening your logic to theirs. That's not bait and switch. It is the exact same logic.

I think you just don't have a good explanation, so you're taking shortcuts.
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No, it is not. your approach to this typic is secular. Not Biblical. You choose to make this personal no shock there but failed to address the Context of LUST from Mathews 5:28-30. If you are into self-gratification, please do what you want. But don't say Guns control and lust are in context to my logic. That is an oxymoron.
 
Phoenix1708 said:
Excuse the crude nature of this post, I just have really been struggling with this lately. Is it a sin? Where is the line drawn?
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According to scripture, masturbation is a sin.

Berean Literal Bible -- Ephesians 5:3
"But let sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness not even be named among you, as also is proper to saints,"
 
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CS1 said:
It doesn't matter for me if I like or not it only matter if it is godly. to say there is nothing right or wrong with an action is to suggest there is not cause of effect of that action. That is not true. And to say "there are too many pious people" which is deflection from the issue is very telling me. If your understanding is that drinking Doctor Pepper is anyway associated with the spirit of Lust that has taken many men of God down who admittedly said Masturbation was what they started with when there seeking online porno. Then led them to other venues of sexual addiction. The argument of Home Depot and spending gas because of to many trips is in somehow going to lead one to have the spirit of lust is ridicules. Simplifying sexual addiction by equating it to overuse of gas?


Sexual perversion took Down:
  • Samson = whores and drunkenness
  • David Adultery and murder
  • Salomon sexual perversion and idolatry
  • Amnon Rape and incest
all sound like Dr. Pepper and too much gas to me too.
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ahhhhh..... sigh. I'm sure I didn't explain it correctly to you... others seem to have grasped it....

I was in no way saying that going to the Home Depot would cause a person to lust....
I was pointing out that several folks on here are rather piously telling everyone that if any action is not "to the glory of God" we should not be doing it. Period.

I was pointing out that MUCH of what we do would not be considered "to the glory of God" ...... like drinking Dr. Pepper, or spending too much on gas going to Home Depot, etc.... but we all still DO those things.

We live our lives.... our flawed, human, saved lives to the glory of God, to the best of our ability. But everyone will fall short, every day... it's the human condition that Jesus came to "clean" for us....
 
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hornetguy said:
ahhhhh..... sigh. I'm sure I didn't explain it correctly to you... others seem to have grasped it....

I was in no way saying that going to the Home Depot would cause a person to lust....
I was pointing out that several folks on here are rather piously telling everyone that if any action is not "to the glory of God" we should not be doing it. Period.

I was pointing out that MUCH of what we do would not be considered "to the glory of God" ...... like drinking Dr. Pepper, or spending too much on gas going to Home Depot, etc.... but we all still DO those things.

We live our lives.... our flawed, human, saved lives to the glory of God, to the best of our ability. But everyone will fall short, every day... it's the human condition that Jesus came to "clean" for us....
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Right on, brother.
 
CS1 said:
No, it is not. your approach to this typic is secular.
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My approach is more nuanced than you think, and doesn't start with assuming an answer.
CS1 said:
You choose to make this personal no shock there
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I don't think I made it personal.
CS1 said:
but failed to address the Context of LUST from Mathews 5:28-30.
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Not addressing it is probably better than addressing it the way you did. Jesus doesn't say anything about a "spirit of lust" motivating anything; he condemns a specific behavior which is tangentially related to; but is not necessarily implied in the behavior that is the topic of this thread.
Next, the Greek in Matt5 is the same word as the Greek in Matt13:17 where it says For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. Earlier in the thread you said "desire" and "lust" are not the same; but as far as NT scriptures go, they are the same; so it's not useful to make a distinction between the two, even if it exists in the current English.
CS1 said:
If you are into self-gratification, please do what you want.
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That doesn't seem like very friendly advice from someone who is condemning this behavior.
CS1 said:
But don't say Guns control and lust are in context to my logic. That is an oxymoron.
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I didn't; I said gun control activists use the same kind of logic where they insist one thing implies another without really proving it.
 
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