Is masturbation really a sin?

[Ceph]

Perhaps, but on a spiritual level it is an excuse. Be careful not to deceive yourself.

There is an actual "spirit of masturbation" and Derek Prince talks about them and has several testimonies about casting them out. When someone does it once, it is sexually immoral so it opens the door for the spirit of masturbation to enter and it will begin tempting you to do it more. Interesting choice of words there, someone enslaved by desire but wants to quit. If it gets to the point that you must do it and can't say no, then enslave would be a good term for it. It also implies ownership or possession by the spirit.

Derek Prince says the spirit of masturbation always comes out of the persons fingers and they can feel it leave. If you are possessed and enticed by that spirit, the next thing you know he invites all his buddies in also, like the spirit of Lust which begins enticing you in even more ways and more often. I think it's called having a stronghold in you? so that thing needs cast out brother.



Gain self control?! Are you joshing me? What about Discipline? Can you not discipline yourself and rise above these things?

Would you do it in front of the Lord if He was standing right in front of you?
(well He is even if you can't see Him).

Your personal Conscience is obviously working fine based on things you say in your post. so on some level, you do know it's wrong.

Not doing it one time hints at control. Controlling yourself in that way many times, becomes being disciplined. Your asking for some sort of justification with your alternate to judge the responses (and rightly so). But I find myself unable to agree with you. Doing the act is not gaining control my friend. It's losing control at the crucial moment. Develop fortitude of spirit within yourself and tell it no. You can do it and your conscience does know the truth.

Your presumption about the things pertaining to me just doesn't line up with the truth that I'm experiencing.

 

[Edward429451]

Your presumption about the things pertaining to me just doesn't line up with the truth that I'm experiencing.

I used to think like that when I was younger. But as I grew older I grew wiser.

It sounds like you're friends with that spirit. You can't get delivered from the enemy if you're friends with him. So spiritually speaking, you would be choosing masturbation over God.

i don't think the Lord likes us to do that because no matter how you look at it, it is sexually immoral. Scripture says do not be sexually immoral. Your choice.

 

[Ceph]

I used to think like that when I was younger. But as I grew older I grew wiser.

It sounds like you're friends with that spirit. You can't get delivered from the enemy if you're friends with him. So spiritually speaking, you would be choosing masturbation over God.

i don't think the Lord likes us to do that because no matter how you look at it, it is sexually immoral. Scripture says do not be sexually immoral. Your choice.

I'm not friends with that spirit.

 

[GWH]

Post #3 covers the issue very well, but the bottom line is that the Bible does not cite masturbation as a sin,
however, GW condemns fornication and lust, which would include pornography--so those cross the line.

I have not followed this thread, but the truth is that the Bible condemns sexual immorality (fornication) and lust
(Matt. 15:19, Acts 15:20, Rom. 1:26, 1Cor. 16:13&18, 10:8, Gal. 5:19, Eph. 5:3, Col. 3:5, 1Thes. 4:3-5, 1Pet. 4:3, 1John 2:16), which would include pornography, but it does not cite masturbation as a sin.

 

[decipher]

There's absolutely no science in what you're saying. Nor is it proper spiritual advice what you're saying is completely against the scripture. Your body reabsorbs any of your bodily fluids. If you manage self control, there's absolutely no need to masturbate. I have a cold shower, once in a while if you like that, you're not an animal, you're not a beast or a wild donkey. You are given self controlled by God, but you choose to deny it so you act like a wild donkey. Human beings are given a higher nature were not animals in the same way. We battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and powers of darkness. When you accept the kind of thing you're saying above you except that you are uncontrollable and given over to your carnal desires. It makes no sense what you're saying neither is it scripture neither is it godly

Hi Mordy. Thank you for responding to my post. I need to know where your post is coming from, so, if I may, I would like to ask you a few personal questions. I don't know you, and I'll trust that you will answer truthfully.
Question #1: How old are you?
Question #2: Have you ever masterbated? If so, why?
Question #3: You say that you are single. Were you ever married?
Question #4: What is the whole purpose of God instilling this desire to copulate in animals and man? If it is to create offsprings, are married men sinning if the only reason they copulate with their wives at times is to fulfill this desire and not to create offsprings.
Question#5: We know it's a sin to lust after someone's wife. Is it a sin to lust after your own wife. If a married man says that he doesn't lust after his wife, then why does he still copulate with her?

 

[GWH]

Hi Mordy. Thank you for responding to my post. I need to know where your post is coming from, so, if I may, I would like to ask you a few personal questions. I don't know you, and I'll trust that you will answer truthfully.
Question #1: How old are you?
Question #2: Have you ever masterbated? If so, why?
Question #3: You say that you are single. Were you ever married?
Question #4: What is the whole purpose of God instilling this desire to copulate in animals and man? If it is to create offsprings, are married men sinning if the only reason they copulate with their wives at times is to fulfill this desire and not to create offsprings.
Question#5: We know it's a sin to lust after someone's wife. Is it a sin to lust after your own wife. If a married man says that he doesn't lust after his wife, then why does he still copulate with her?

I'll answer your questions:

1. 75
2. NOYB
3. Been married 52 years
4. Desire now is for back scratch, instilled by God to give more pleasure than sex.
5. It is impossible to lust after your own wife.

 

[decipher]

I asked AI to translate the meaning of Romans 14: 23 And he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith; for whatever is not of faith is sin.
This is what AI explained:
This verse from Romans 14:23 suggests that if an individual has doubts or believes a certain action is wrong (lacks "faith" in the righteousness of the action), and they proceed with it, then it is considered a sin for them, even if the action itself might be permissible for someone else with a clear conscience. The emphasis is on the individual's conviction and conscience regarding the act. While it doesn't explicitly state the inverse (that if you don't think something is a sin, it's not counted against you), the implication is that actions performed without a doubting conscience are not considered sin in the same way.
Romans 14: 22 Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I asked AI to translate the meaning of Romans 14: 23 And he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith; for whatever is not of faith is sin.
This is what AI explained:
This verse from Romans 14:23 suggests that if an individual has doubts or believes a certain action is wrong (lacks "faith" in the righteousness of the action), and they proceed with it, then it is considered a sin for them, even if the action itself might be permissible for someone else with a clear conscience. The emphasis is on the individual's conviction and conscience regarding the act. While it doesn't explicitly state the inverse (that if you don't think something is a sin, it's not counted against you), the implication is that actions performed without a doubting conscience are not considered sin in the same way.
Romans 14: 22 Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

The AI doesn't have Holy Spirit discernment. Why ask it about the things of God?

 

[Daisy2]

 

[decipher]

I'll answer your questions:

1. 75
2. NOYB
3. Been married 52 years
4. Desire now is for back scratch, instilled by God to give more pleasure than sex.
5. It is impossible to lust after your own wife.

I'll take #2 as a yes, but you didn't answer the reason why? You are 75 years old and have admitted that sex now is less pleasureable than a back scratch. What about the young men that are at their peak strength of their libido. How were you then at that younger age? As for #5, why did you copulate with her even when you weren't interested in having more kids? Again, I don't know you or want to know your business, but you need to be fair and honest with these younger men who are trying to deal with this action that you condemn at your old age.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I'll take #2 as a yes, but you didn't answer the reason why? You are 75 years old and have admitted that sex now is less pleasureable than a back scratch. What about the young men that are at their peak strength of their libido. How were you then at that younger age? As for #5, why did you copulate with her even when you weren't interested in having more kids? Again, I don't know you or want to know your business, but you need to be fair and honest with these younger men who are trying to deal with this action that you condemn at your old age.

It seems you just ask each other how to justify this activity instead of talking to God about it.

I haven't seen any of you masturbaters say that you've personally talked to God about this. All of you just say that you don't see it in the Bible.

Are you afraid that He will show you where it says it in the Bible and that you have to stop doing this activity?

Furthermore, are you afraid that God will give you self-control so you are no longer addicted to it?

Letting God conform you to Jesus' godly life is very freeing and actually way better than satan's solution of masturbating!

 

[GWH]

I'll take #2 as a yes, but you didn't answer the reason why? You are 75 years old and have admitted that sex now is less pleasureable than a back scratch. What about the young men that are at their peak strength of their libido. How were you then at that younger age? As for #5, why did you copulate with her even when you weren't interested in having more kids? Again, I don't know you or want to know your business, but you need to be fair and honest with these younger men who are trying to deal with this action that you condemn at your old age.

Take #2 as "it doesn't matter, because it is not a sin, but like a lot of questions you might ask, it is none of your business".

Ditto about young men or women or anyone else whose privacy you want to violate--honestly.

Having kids is not the only reason for becoming one flesh.

What action did I condemn?

You're only as old as you feel.

 

[Mordy]

Why are there still so many good women who become broken-hearted by evil men, and vice versa?
What about the accounts of men who are broken just until they find a good relationship? They exist.

It's a bigger process than that I'll grant you. It's not as if they are broken until they're married. They need to find a certain level of wholeness before they get married. If people get together and they both have major issues they're not gonna resolve it through each other. You need the Lord before during and sometimes after.

 

[Mordy]

If you want an excellent resource that talks about addiction and masturbation and sexual problems I suggest you listen to the podcasts called BraveCo
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5wz9tgbdVpuy0837ukk7Er?si

 

[decipher]

The AI doesn't have Holy Spirit discernment. Why ask it about the things of God?

You are correct 2ndTimeIsTheCharm. AI has limitations and ethical considerations: It lacks true consciousness, spiritual insight, and the capacity for personal engagement with the text, which are crucial for a nuanced and ethically responsible interpretation of scripture. Truth and understanding comes from the Father and Son through the Holy Spirit and the Bible. AI models are trained on existing data, which may contain biases that could be inadvertently perpetuated in the generated interpretations. They can also produce inaccurate information, requiring critical human oversight and verification.
Artificial Intelligence can assist in the interpretation of scripture by leveraging its capabilities in data analysis and pattern recognition, acting primarily as a powerful tool to augment human study rather than replacing human understanding and spiritual discernment. Here is what AI can do:
1. AI can rapidly process vast amounts of biblical texts, commentaries, and scholarly resources to identify linguistic patterns, semantic structures, and thematic connections that might be difficult for a human to discern quickly.
2. AI can help in understanding the historical, cultural, and geographical context of biblical passages by cross-referencing with relevant historical records and archaeological findings, providing richer context for interpretation.
3. AI-powered translation tools can assist in translating biblical texts in various languages, making scripture more accessible and potentially aiding in a deeper understanding of the original languages.
AI is not a replacement for personal study. It should be viewed as a supplementary tool, not a substitute for personal prayer, meditation, and engagement with scripture within a faith community, as these elements are fundamental to spiritual growth and understanding. Mostly, I use AI to confirm my understanding of different scriptures or to view different perspectives if we disagree.

 

[Mordy]

God is willing with open arms to help people overcome their shame, but your language only drives them deeper into worthless contempt for themselves. They will hate every bit of what they think, and forget that it is trough God that all things exist in the first place, and that they are how they are in the first place.
I loathed myself every hour of the day. I constantly stumbled over every little offensive thought, and because of my fear of acessing those kinds of thoughts and emotions and bringing them into submission, satan took control of them and created deeply offensive thoughts to torment me with, the effects of which I still feel to this day.
But as soon as I stopped the self-loathing and decided I could manage the things thoughts that appeared in me, and trusted God to let me deal with their effects without shame, satans scheme fell apart and his power to torment me fell away. Now my desire to masturbate has drastically decreased, and because I'm not afraid to do it in Gods salvation, satan hardly bothers trying to tempt me to do it anymore.

So yes, it's not a sin for people to releive themselves if it helps them gain self-control. These are the first commandments that we as christians are obligated to follow: To live God with all our might, and to love each other as we love ourselves.
Against love there is no law. If an action isn't against the love of God, it's not against the law.

I totally agree that shame from our childhood on through to adulthood from our peers in from the world, and from fellow believers in the church is very destructive and leads people to go further into a sin like masturbation.

When Jesus speaks to the woman who was caught in adultery, he says I do not condemn you, but go and sin no more. So he lovingly implores her to leave her life of sin and seek purity.

 

[Mordy]

You are correct 2ndTimeIsTheCharm. AI has limitations and ethical considerations: It lacks true consciousness, spiritual insight, and the capacity for personal engagement with the text, which are crucial for a nuanced and ethically responsible interpretation of scripture. Truth and understanding comes from the Father and Son through the Holy Spirit and the Bible. AI models are trained on existing data, which may contain biases that could be inadvertently perpetuated in the generated interpretations. They can also produce inaccurate information, requiring critical human oversight and verification.
Artificial Intelligence can assist in the interpretation of scripture by leveraging its capabilities in data analysis and pattern recognition, acting primarily as a powerful tool to augment human study rather than replacing human understanding and spiritual discernment. Here is what AI can do:
1. AI can rapidly process vast amounts of biblical texts, commentaries, and scholarly resources to identify linguistic patterns, semantic structures, and thematic connections that might be difficult for a human to discern quickly.
2. AI can help in understanding the historical, cultural, and geographical context of biblical passages by cross-referencing with relevant historical records and archaeological findings, providing richer context for interpretation.
3. AI-powered translation tools can assist in translating biblical texts in various languages, making scripture more accessible and potentially aiding in a deeper understanding of the original languages.
AI is not a replacement for personal study. It should be viewed as a supplementary tool, not a substitute for personal prayer, meditation, and engagement with scripture within a faith community, as these elements are fundamental to spiritual growth and understanding. Mostly, I use AI to confirm my understanding of different scriptures or to view different perspectives if we disagree.

This is a very interesting topic, but it's OT that is off topic. I suggest we start another thread if we want to talk about AI and focus on the need for sexual purity in this thread. Don't you agree?

 

[decipher]

He is mainly talking about married folks and people that are not Christians. He is talking about people who hunger and wallow in orgasm, not people who hate their libido and prefer a state of being devoid of lust. Obviously he is happy with his wife and does not need to fantasize. His is a secular understanding.

 

[Mordy]

He is mainly talking about married folks and people that are not Christians. He is talking about people who hunger and wallow in orgasm, not people who hate their libido and prefer a state of being devoid of lust. Obviously he is happy with his wife and does not need to fantasize. His is a secular understanding.

Ok this is not a Christian guy?

 

[CS1]

They didn't fi

They didn't force him and if he had stuck to his own kind , God fearing Jewish ladies as he was told to , he wouldn't have gotten himself in that mess would he ?

and that is the very point of sexual idolatry