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Why do people think you have to lust to masturbate? I mean, I know that's it sometimes but it's pretty easy to do without lusting. Your body just naturally reacts to touches and stuff... some parts are sensitive. Don't need to look at anything or imagine anything.... And your body naturally wants the release anyway eventually.
And yeah, a man can be erect and masturbate without lusting... usually when you wake up in the morning... through no fault of your own, you're hard... proof right there you don't need lust to be erect. A little friction and you can do it without thinking lustfully.
That said, I'm not saying it's right or wrong but that it IS possible to do without lusting... so I don't buy that argument against it... I'm not an advocate for it and I think everyone should follow their personal convictions. You yourself know why YOU are doing it. And so does God. To me personally though, it just doesn't feel right and I don't care for doing it regardless of the reason. But I can't say I have any biblical reason against it aside from the lust issue if that's how you're doing it.
And yeah, a man can be erect and masturbate without lusting... usually when you wake up in the morning... through no fault of your own, you're hard... proof right there you don't need lust to be erect. A little friction and you can do it without thinking lustfully.
That said, I'm not saying it's right or wrong but that it IS possible to do without lusting... so I don't buy that argument against it... I'm not an advocate for it and I think everyone should follow their personal convictions. You yourself know why YOU are doing it. And so does God. To me personally though, it just doesn't feel right and I don't care for doing it regardless of the reason. But I can't say I have any biblical reason against it aside from the lust issue if that's how you're doing it.
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dishchat
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But masturbating means that one is having sexual desires with his hand. And it is lust of the flesh. Peter told us to abstain from that because it is making war against our soul. As for me , i've never masturbate without lust and i'll not try
It is gratifying sexual desires, not merely having them. I don't think any one lusts for ones hand.
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dishchat
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let's have a look in Romans ch 13 vs 13: Let us walk properly,as in the day, not in revelry and drunkness,not in LEWDNESS and lust, not in strife and envy.
Lewd means to think alltimes to have sexual desires. Paul counsel to us not to be in that.
Your king goeth to destruction, and you along with him, just for such hasty judgments.
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BADDOG
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Hi to all ,,,,,,, please remember this is an open forum and all sorts of people will read what you say,,,,
so for the young ladys i would urge you not to post this sort of thing because your telling everyone very very private stuff
and there are some very bad people out there
Please be safe and remember not to post this very private things next time
GBU
so for the young ladys i would urge you not to post this sort of thing because your telling everyone very very private stuff
and there are some very bad people out there
Please be safe and remember not to post this very private things next time
GBU
1) You are taking lewdness out of context. Just because you masturbate does not mean that you are characterized by lust and lechery.
2) I am honestly not sure where you got that passage translation. I have read over a dozen bibles and i have never seen the word "lewdness" be used.
New International Version (©1984)
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Don't participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy.
English Standard Version (©2001)
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Let's behave decently, as people who live in the light of day. No wild parties, drunkenness, sexual immorality, promiscuity, quarreling, or jealousy!
And so on and so on.
It is basically saying don't be a slut (sorry for the language), not to abstain from masturbation. κοίταις "in sexual immorality" is the direct line from Rom 13:13. And Masturbation is not listed or named anywhere in the Bible as being sexually immoral.
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dishchat
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It's in Gideons international. Someone masturbate because he is sensual.To have pleasure by sex with his hand which means to be sensual. Paul told us not to walk in sensuality.
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virteous_man
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Incase you do not know what Saul_Durian is talking about:
Le:15:16: And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
Le:15:17: And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
Le:15:18: The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.
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Seraphotic
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Lust doesn't neccesarily have to be sexual, it has to do with pleasure, therefore if you masturbate your lusting for the pleasure.
For all practical purposes, "lust" may be defined as an inordinate (excessive) desire, as also in 'lust for power', the 'one day I will rule the world' thing.
The original question is whether masturbation is a sin, not even with regard to context of strength, simply any. Can a person(s) take the natural instilled sex drive and act upon it?
Sure they can. Can acting upon it be excessive? Sure.
Can the sex drive be excessive? To answer yes to that, however, would be the same as saying God is imperfect, as He instills that.
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Mat 5:28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Instead of wondering if its a sin, go and read what Jesus said about lust!
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Anyone here who tells you its OK to masturbate is in great delusion, we are told to flee ALL sexual immorality, and uncleanliness, and there shouldn't even be a hint of lust in any true follower of Jesus Christ!
Satan wants you to believe you can sin your way into heaven, but this is his great lie many professing Christians are falling into, do not play around with sin! If your church or pastor is telling you this vile sinful habit is OK, then run for your life!
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Where is your mind when you do this?????? it should be on Christ, and doing everything you can to be obedient to Him, and his commands! Not how to gratify your flesh, you must crucify your flesh with Christ in repentance, Gal 2-20, you are not saved IN your sins, and you can loose your salvation in you continue in your rebellion and sexual immorality.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Ger serious about God, be hot for Jesus, stop being double minded, before its too late, seek the mercy of God in repentance, fear God, repent and live, putting to death your vile sins of the flesh, which is masturbation, you must please God and not your flesh!
Instead of wondering if its a sin, go and read what Jesus said about lust!
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Anyone here who tells you its OK to masturbate is in great delusion, we are told to flee ALL sexual immorality, and uncleanliness, and there shouldn't even be a hint of lust in any true follower of Jesus Christ!
Satan wants you to believe you can sin your way into heaven, but this is his great lie many professing Christians are falling into, do not play around with sin! If your church or pastor is telling you this vile sinful habit is OK, then run for your life!
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Where is your mind when you do this?????? it should be on Christ, and doing everything you can to be obedient to Him, and his commands! Not how to gratify your flesh, you must crucify your flesh with Christ in repentance, Gal 2-20, you are not saved IN your sins, and you can loose your salvation in you continue in your rebellion and sexual immorality.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Ger serious about God, be hot for Jesus, stop being double minded, before its too late, seek the mercy of God in repentance, fear God, repent and live, putting to death your vile sins of the flesh, which is masturbation, you must please God and not your flesh!
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Jullianna
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Every time there is a thread about this it goes on and on and on, with the same scriptures/answers being posted over and over. I wish some of the more uplifting threads received as much attention. Dedicating one's thoughtlife to such topics can't be good in light of:
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things. - Phil 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things. - Phil 4:8
The original post doesn't ask about lust, though. The question is in regard to masturbation.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't Dr. Ruth say something like, "Stay on topic."
There's no arguing on the uplifting post. And there generally isn't a question posed in those that are uplifting.