Is it a sin to drink alcohol

[Locoponydirtman]

It would be neat if any of you knew how long unfermented fruit juice lasts without refrigeration, in the hot middle east.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

No abuse of scripture. Cutting hair has nothing to do with the discussion.
Let’s stick with the verse, what is wine and what is strong drink? Both come from the fruit of the vine.

You use the portion of the Nazarite vow and applied it generally. And it does apply the rest of it, because you have to apply the whole passage. This would mean it is just as applicable to any one who gets a hair cut or shaves their beard, which would be far more Christians than drink wine. It would be the entire Pentecostal church.

 

[John146]

You use the portion of the Nazarite vow and applied it generally. And it does apply the rest of it, because you have to apply the whole passage. This would mean it is just as applicable to any one who gets a hair cut or shaves their beard, which would be far more Christians than drink wine. It would be the entire Pentecostal church.

I’m trying to show the smile Bible definition of wine. In the verse we have wine and strong drink. Wine is fresh grape juice and strong drink is grape juice that has spoiled, fermented.

So, throughout Scripture the context will determine if the word is referring to grape juice or strong drink.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I’m trying to show the smile Bible definition of wine. In the verse we have wine and strong drink. Wine is fresh grape juice and strong drink is grape juice that has spoiled, fermented.

So, throughout Scripture the context will determine if the word is referring to grape juice or strong drink.

he shall abstain from wine and strong drink; he shall drink no vinegar, whether made from wine or strong drink, nor shall he drink any grape juice nor eat fresh or dried grapes.
Numbers 6:3 NASB
Yep when it says juice it means juice, and wine when it means wine. Elementary my dear Watson.

 

[John146]

he shall abstain from wine and strong drink; he shall drink no vinegar, whether made from wine or strong drink, nor shall he drink any grape juice nor eat fresh or dried grapes.
Numbers 6:3 NASB
Yep when it says juice it means juice, and wine when it means wine. Elementary my dear Watson.

Fermented wine is not found in the clusters.

Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

 

[WithinReason]

It would be neat if any of you knew how long unfermented fruit juice lasts without refrigeration, in the hot middle east.

That assumes something, which isn't true, and I provided that evidence in this thread already.

 

[WithinReason]

That was wine in every instance. The Christ wouldn’t have been called a wine bibber unless He imbibed, you guessed it, wine! He drank wine.

Jesus couldn't be called seditious unless he partook in a little sedition.

Jesus couldn't be called devil filled, unless he partook in a little devil filling.

etc.

 

[WithinReason]

Yes it is the fruit of the vine, meaning it came from, guess what? Grapes that grew on a vine. And wine comes from grapes.

Yes, 'wine' (alcoholic) comes from grapes, eventually, but it is not a "fruit of the vine". It is the fermentation of the vine. Jesus is the True Vine at the Last Supper, of which no fermentation (leaven) was allowed (Passover).

 

[WithinReason]

I hope you must not use medicine which contains alcohol.

I do not. I am a health reformer, according to scripture, and thus I do not partake of pharmakeia. Most of that stuff (including aspirin) only injures the body, and the body then has a two fold enemy to fight, the infection, etc and the poison of pharmakeia. Many persons die from 'correctly' prescribed pharmakeia every year. I use the things God provided in nature for healing, food as medicine, herbs for the service of mankind, clay, etc.

See some here -

 

[WithinReason]

Who is your God? God, or the desire of the belly?

1 Corinthians 6:13 KJB - Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.​

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Philippians 3:19 KJB - Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)​

Let us begin this study on the "Wines" of the Bible:

There are two 'kinds' of Wine in the Scriptures [and this will be thoroughly shown from Genesis to Revelation]:

one of Blessing​

...and the other of Cursing,​

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one of Life​

...and the other of Death, ​

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one of Joy/Happiness/Peace​

...and the other of Woe/Sorrow/Strife,​

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one of FATHER/CHRIST JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT/GOD​

...and the other of Babylon/Belial/Serpent/Devil/Satan/Dragon.​

 

[WithinReason]

There is indeed a dual use of the word "Wine" in scripture, and once this is shown, we can begin to look at the two 'kinds'.

The English word “wine” is found 231 times in 212 verses in the King James Bible:

Genesis 9:21,24, 14:18, 19:32,33,34,35, 27:25,28,37, 49:11,12;

Exodus 29:40;

Leviticus 10:9, 23:13;

Numbers 6:3,20, 15:5,7,10, 18:12, 28:7,14;

Deuteronomy 7:13, 11:14, 12:17, 14:23,26, 16:13, 18:4, 28:39,51, 29:6, 32:33,38, 33:28;

Joshua 9:4,13;

Judges 9:13, 13:4,7,14, 19:19;

1 Samuel 1:14,15,24, 10:3, 16:20, 25:18,37;

2 Samuel 6:19, 13:28, 16:1,2;

2 Kings 18:32;

1 Chronicles 9:29, 12:40, 16:3, 27:27;

2 Chronicles 2:10,15, 11:11, 31:5, 32:28;

Ezra 6:9, 7:22;

Nehemiah 2:1, 5:11,15,18, 10:37,39, 13:5,12,15;

Esther 1:7,10, 5:6, 7:2,7,8;

Job 1:13,18, 32:19;

Psalms 4:7, 60:3, 75:8, 78:65, 104:15;

Proverbs 3:10, 4:17, 9:2,5, 20:1, 21:17, 23:30,31, 31:4,6;

Ecclesiastes 2:3, 9:7, 10:19;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 1:2,4, 4:10, 5:1, 7:9, 8:2;

Isaiah 1:22, 5:11,12,22, 16:10, 22:13, 24:7,9,11, 27:2, 28:1,7, 29:9, 36:17, 49:26, 51:21, 55:1, 56:12, 62:8, 65:8;

Jeremiah 13:12, 23:9, 25:15, 31:12, 35:2,5,6,8,14, 40:10,12, 48:33, 51:7;

Lamentations 2:12;

Ezekiel 27:18, 44:21;

Daniel 1:5,8,16, 5:1,2,4,23, 10:3;

Hosea 2:8,9,22, 3:1, 4:11, 7:5,14, 9:2,4, 14:7;

Joel 1:5,10, 2:19,24, 3:3,18;

Amos 2:8,12, 5:11, 6:6, 9:13,14;

Micah 2:11, 6:15;

Habakkuk 2:5;

Zephaniah 1:13;

Haggai 1:11, 2:12;

Zechariah 9:15,17, 10:7;

Matthew 9:17;

Mark 2:22, 15:23;

Luke 1:15, 5:37,38,39, 7:33, 10:34;

John 2:3,9,10, 4:46;

Acts 2:13;

Romans 14:21;

Ephesians 5:18;

1 Timothy 3:3,8, 5:23;

Titus 1:7, 2:3;

1 Peter 4:3;

Revelation 6:6, 14:8,10, 16:19, 17:2, 18:3,13.​

 

[WithinReason]

Now let us also look at the more specific uses of certain words and also of others found in the scripture and afterward we can begin to study these out in more detail.

Wine [ Strong's H3196 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: yayin; Hebrew: יַיִן - the common word translated into the English: "wine". "From an unused root meaning to effervesce” 138 times “wine”, 1 times “banqueting”, 1 times “winebibbers” [ +05433 ]

Genesis 9:21,24, 14:18, 19:32,33,34,35, 27:25, 49:11,12;

Exodus 29:40;

Leviticus 10:9, 23:13;

Numbers 6:3,4,20, 15:5,7,10, 28:14;

Deuteronomy 14:26, 28:39, 29:6, 32:33,38;

Joshua 9:4,13;

Judges 13:4,7,14, 19:19;

1 Samuel 1:14,15,24, 10:3, 16:20, 25:18,37;

2 Samuel 13:28, 16:1,2;

1 Chronicles 9:29, 12:40, 27:27;

2 Chronicles 2:10,15, 11:11;

Nehemiah 2:1, 5:15,18, 13:15;

Esther 1:7,10, 5:6, 7:2,7,8;

Job 1:13,18, 32:19;

Psalms 60:3, 75:8, 78:65, 104:15;

Proverbs 4:17, 9:2,5, 20:1, 21:17, 23:20,30,31, 31:4,6;

Ecclesiastes 2:3, 9:7, 10:19;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 1:2,4, 2:4, 4:10, 5:1, 7:9, 8:2;

Isaiah 5:11,12,22, 16:10, 22:13, 24:9,11, 28:1,7, 29:9, 51:21, 55:1, 56:12;

Jeremiah 13:12, 23:9, 25:15, 35:2,5,6,8,14, 40:10,12, 48:33, 51:7;

Lamentations 2:12;

Ezekiel 27:18, 44:21;

Daniel 1:5,8,16, 10:3;

Hosea 4:11, 7:5, 9:4, 14:7;

Joel 1:5, 3:3;

Amos 2:8,12, 5:11, 6:6, 9:14;

Micah 2:11, 6:15;

Habakkuk 2:5;

Zephaniah 1:13;

Haggai 2:12;

Zechariah 9:15, 10:7.​

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[WithinReason]

Wine [ Strong's H8492 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: tiyrowsh; Hebrew: תִּירוֹשׁ - commonly translated into the English: “wine” [ or New Wine ]. “From H3423 [ yarash יָרַשׁ to seize, dispossess, take possession of, inherit, disinherit, occupy, impoverish, an heir ] in the sense of expulsion” 38 times “wine”. “Wine, fresh or new wine, must, freshly pressed wine”

Genesis 27:28,37;

Numbers 18:12;

Deuteronomy 7:13, 11:14, 12:17, 14:23, 18:4, 28:51, 33:28;

Judges 9:13;

2 Kings 18:32;

2 Chronicles 31:5, 32:28;

Nehemiah 5:11, 10:37,39, 13:5,12;

Psalms 4:7;

Proverbs 3:10;

Isaiah 24:7, 36:17, 62:8, 65:8;

Jeremiah 31:12;

Hosea 2:8,9,22, 4:11, 7:14, 9:2;

Joel 1:10, 2:19,24;

Micah 6:15;

Haggai 1:11;

Zechariah 9:17.​

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[WithinReason]

Strong Wine, Strong Drink [ Strong's H7941 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: shekar; Hebrew: שֵׁכָר - commonly translated into the English: "strong drink". “From H7937 [ shakar שָׁכַר to be, or to become drunken, be intoxicated]” 21 times “strong drink”, 1 times “strong wine”, 1 times “drunkard” [could be made from fruit of the vine, grapes, dates, honey, etc.]

Leviticus 10:9;

Numbers 6:3, 28:7;

Deuteronomy 14:26, 29:6;

Judges 13:4,7,14;

1 Samuel 1:15;

Psalms 69:12;

Proverbs 20:1, 31:4,6;

Isaiah 5:11,22, 24:9, 28:7, 29:9, 56:12;

Micah 2:11.​

 

[WithinReason]

Wine, Winepresses, Press, Fats, Pressfat [ Strong's H3342 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: yeqeb; Hebrew: יֶקֶב - commonly translated into the English: “winepresses”. “From an unused root meaning to excavate” [winevat dug into the earth] 10 times “winepresses”, 2 times “press”, 2 times “fats”, 1 times “pressfat”, 1 times “wine”

Numbers 18:27,30;

Deuteronomy 15:14, 16:13;

Judges 7:25;

2 Kings 6:27;

Job 24:11;

Proverbs 3:10;

Isaiah 5:2, 16:10;

Jeremiah 48:33;

Hosea 9:2;

Joel 2:24, 3:13;

Haggai 2:16;

Zechariah 14:10.​

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[WithinReason]

Lees, Dregs [ Strong's H8105 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: shemer; Hebrew: שֶׁמֶר - commonly translated into the English: “Lees”. “From H8104 [ shamar שָׁמַר to keep, guard, observe, give heed]” 4 times “lees”, 1 times “dregs”

Psalms 78:5;

Isaiah 25:6;

Jeremiah 48:11;

Zephaniah 1:12.​

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[WithinReason]

Grape, Wine [ Strong's H6025 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: `enab; Hebrew: עֵנָב - commonly translated into the English: “grape”. “From an unused root probably meaning to bear fruit” 18 times “grape/s”, 1 times “wine”

Genesis 40:10,11, 49:11;​

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Leviticus 25:5;​

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Numbers 6:3, 13:20,23;​

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Deuteronomy 23:24, 32:14,32;​

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Nehemiah 13:15;​

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Isaiah 5:2,4;​

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Jeremiah 8:3;​

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Hosea 3:1, 9:10;​

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Amos 9:13.​

 

[WithinReason]

Wine [ Strong's H2562 ]: Aramaic Transliterated: chamar (Aramaic); Aramaic: חֲמַר - commonly translated into the English: “wine”. “Corresponding to H2561 [ chemer חֶמֶר wine, from H2560 chamar to boil, foam, foam up, ferment]” 6 times “wine”

Ezra 6:9, 7:22;

Daniel 5:1,2,4,23.​

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[WithinReason]

Wine [ Strong's H2561 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: chemer; Hebrew: חֶמֶר - commonly translated into the English: “wine”. “From H2560 [ chamar חָמַר to boil, foam, foam up, ferment ]” 1 times “pure”, 1 times “wine”

Deuteronomy 32:14;

Isaiah 27:2.​

 

[WithinReason]

Sweet Wine, New Wine, Juice [ Strong's H6071 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: `aciyc; Hebrew: עָסִיס - commonly translated into the English: “sweet wine, new wine, juice”. “From H6072 [ `acac עָסַס to press, crush, press by treading, tread down or out” 2 times “new wine”, 2 times “sweet wine”, 1 times “juice”

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 8:2;

Isaiah 49:26;

Joel 1:5, 3:18;

Amos 9:13.​