Is God Good?

[garee]

In the garden, Jesus said, not my will but thine.

Yes during that one time promised "demonstration" of the lamb of God who was previously slain from before the foundation of the world.

As the father poured out the wrath of mankind. The Son of man was strengthened by the will of the father preventing his body of death from dying and never rising .(eternal death ) He woke up after the three day three nights in the heart of the corrupted earth demonstration . A demonstration of suffering the living pangs of hell to satisfy the just demands of the law. .

Its all one in the same will . Its the work of two attributes of one God working together in perfect mutual submission.

God did not die he gave Spirit life, a living sacrifice, and woke up the Son when finishing the mutual labor of love.

 

[cv5]

The KJV cannot be proven wrong.

I think the king James version is the best of the bunch. However the Masoretic text upon which THAT Old Testament is based has a number of very well known errors. See video below...
The Alexandrian LXX is the go to Old Testament....Except for the error at exodus 12:40 lol.

 

[cv5]

Gordon Clark solved for many the problem of Evil. This is a bare-bones summary worth looking into if interested.

Clark first asks; "How can the existence of God be harmonized with the existence of evil?"

If God is all-good, He would want to destroy evil.

If God is all-powerful, He is able to destroy evil. But evil still exists.

It seems that God cannot be both all-good and all-powerful. However, Christianity teaches that He is both. This is the problem of evil."

Clark stated that "God's causing a man to sin is not sin. There is no law, superior to God, which forbids him to decree sinful acts. Sin presupposes a law, for sin is lawlessness." Clark explained that "God is above law" because "the laws that God imposes on men do not apply to the divine nature."

Blasphemy and heresy IMO. God acts in righteous judgments and never sins. God may however abandon men TO their sins! What God HAS is sovereign choice in these matters, as He is Lord of all.

 

[John146]

Depends on what you mean by wrong. God watches over the KJV to do what He says He will do. That does not mean there are not a lot of problems with that translation. If you want to understand the Bible you have to read the Hebrew.

Even if we had the original Hebrew, it would have to be perfectly translated to study in English.

 

[John146]

I think the king James version is the best of the bunch. However the Masoretic text upon which THAT Old Testament is based has a number of very well known errors. See video below...
The Alexandrian LXX is the go to Old Testament....Except for the error at exodus 12:40 lol.

I don’t need to watch the video to hear all the false claims, been there done that. I’ve been defending the KJV for many years. There’s nothing new to the argument.

 

[Magenta]

“PAUL, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;” Titus 1:1 (KJV 1900)

“This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.” Titus 1:1 (NLT)

NLT is a terrible version/ranslation... in my opinion

 

[Magenta]

Long before the Ten Commandments, people knew how they wanted others to treat them. And became aware of their own sin by not treating others as their equal. Even today.

Did they really acknowledge as sin their failure to obey the great commandment?

 

[cv5]

I don’t need to watch the video to hear all the false claims, been there done that. I’ve been defending the KJV for many years. There’s nothing new to the argument.

For pity's sake man do yourself a favor and just watch the video. There is no way you understand the difference between the LXX and the Masoretic. Do you understand the error at exodus 12:40?

 

[cv5]

I didn't ask what I believed, I ask what you believe. Which church backs up your beliefs, what church do you attend on a Sunday morning. I've never heard a Presby teach God murdered Christ either.

I'm curious to see if he's going to a wackadoo church too. He's pretty quiet on the matter.

 

[cv5]

Blasphemy and heresy IMO. God acts in righteous judgments and never sins. God may however abandon men TO their sins! What God HAS is sovereign choice in these matters, as He is Lord of all.

And here is God's sovereign choice codified...

Rom 11:32 - For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Rom 9:18 - So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

 

[cv5]

And here is God's sovereign choice codified...

Rom 11:32 - For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Rom 9:18 - So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Rom 9:14-18
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

 

[John146]

For pity's sake man do yourself a favor and just watch the video. There is no way you understand the difference between the LXX and the Masoretic. Do you understand the error at exodus 12:40?

“As the legend goes...”

This man in the video does not believe that any Bible in any language is now or ever was the complete and inerrant words of God, but the “originals”. If I’m clear from the video, he makes the claim that the so called Greek adds words here in Exodus 12:40 that are not contained in the Hebrew Masoretic Text. The LXX says: "And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt AND THE LAND OF CHANAAN, was four hundred and thirty years." However this additional reading is not found in either the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Hebrew Masoretic Text nor in Lamsa's 1933 translation of the Syriac Peshitta.

I believe that in the so called Greek Septuagint, or this mysterious LXX, (all copies of which were written AFTER the New Testament was complete and that come from Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus and none of them agree with each other), the men who put this thing together saw what appeared to be a direct contradiction in the number of years and so they added these additional words in an attempt to harmonize the passages.

 

[Dave-L]

Did they really acknowledge as sin their failure to obey the great commandment?

No Ten Commandments before Sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

So, the golden rule condemns everyone. But the TCs broke it down giving examples of violating the Golden Rule.

Jesus gave examples of what it takes to keep it in the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[Dave-L]

NLT is a terrible version/ranslation... in my opinion

I use it as a commentary but some of the newer translations help simplify what takes lots of work to prove from the KJV, my preferred translation.

 

[cv5]

“As the legend goes...”

This man in the video does not believe that any Bible in any language is now or ever was the complete and inerrant words of God, but the “originals”. If I’m clear from the video, he makes the claim that the so called Greek adds words here in Exodus 12:40 that are not contained in the Hebrew Masoretic Text. The LXX says: "And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt AND THE LAND OF CHANAAN, was four hundred and thirty years." However this additional reading is not found in either the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Hebrew Masoretic Text nor in Lamsa's 1933 translation of the Syriac Peshitta.

I believe that in the so called Greek Septuagint, or this mysterious LXX, (all copies of which were written AFTER the New Testament was complete and that come from Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus and none of them agree with each other), the men who put this thing together saw what appeared to be a direct contradiction in the number of years and so they added these additional words in an attempt to harmonize the passages.

Listen carefully. I said that the term "and in Caanan" seen in Exodus 12:40 in the Alexandrian LXX is an error. Furthermore the new testament writers quote from the Greek LXX. Barry is absolutely correct in stating the Masoretic has well-known errors for well-known reasons.
My point is that the Alexandrian LXX Is unquestionably the best !!!COMPLETE!!! OT text available, and matches all of the Hebrew fragments very very well.

Perhaps you never thought of this but back in the New Testament age there were all kinds of LXX copies around probably some of which had no errors! But all we have today is the Alexandrian LXX as a complete manuscript, and it is very very accurate indeed.

Maybe you understand this or maybe you do not, but The Bible today is a compilation of fragments, incomplete scrolls, and a few nearly complete scrolls that were compiled, cross checked, and out of which a new complete manuscript was created. And these fragments tthemselves are copies of copies of copies of copies!!! There are no "originals" And the 1611 KJV certainly isn't an original either.

The King James 1611 version is superior in my opinion. And fortunately for me I know that there are errors, and where the errors are located.

You do realize that the Masoretic is about 1700 years short in the genesis genealogies? Right?

 

[Dave-L]

Blasphemy and heresy IMO. God acts in righteous judgments and never sins. God may however abandon men TO their sins! What God HAS is sovereign choice in these matters, as He is Lord of all.

God causes people to sin even greater sins as a judgment. This further glorifies him. To not give him credit for that is to rob him of his glory.

 

[Dave-L]

Well this guy is wrong, God is not above the law, His very nature IS the law.

This is such a great example of the futility of our thinking processes. Proclaiming "If this, then God that", as if man could even comprehend, the thinking, reasoning, planning, and will of God. Then having the complete audacity to say this in a way that suggest that God is above the law, as if He transgresses His own law or something, just doesn't sound right to me, honestly this is as close to blasphemous a thing can get, if it's not already there. Something is only "evil" or "wrong" if it transgresses His will. Jesus didn't ever do it, which person of the Godhead do you suggest is "above" His nature? I even agree with a lot of what you say here ol' DaveL, and don't even know anything about who you're quoting here, but man this isn't at all a good start to something "worth looking into", In my opinion, but I kind of just jumped in, so I'm not even sure what you're recommending it for, not only that but I should read it all before really forming a full opinion. I just sounds bad to me, for whatever that's worth.

God is the lawgiver. You make the law God if he must obey it = serious error.

 

[Dave-L]

It’s questions like these that reveal your true intent. Clearly you just like attention. Starting with title, Is God Good?”, you have just invited argument. If the words of Christ can’t be trusted when stated, “...only my Father is good,” then why continue? I’m sure you intentionally contradicted the Creeds that you esteem for the purpose to antagonize other posters. Sometimes I think, maybe he’s just that stupid and needs more information. But no, you aren’t stupid, just obviously bored and enjoy the conflict. Once again, I have more to accomplish today. No point trying to teach the unteachable. May the Lord give you a heart for Him instead of your Catholic forefathers.

I accept solid scripture rebuttal. Insults only reveal a lack of having anything.

 

[Dave-L]

Frankly much of what you say is blasphemous. You insinuate God is a murderer and you denying the ultimate redemption of Israel. I can't remember but are you a preterist?

If God did not kill Christ in the place of his elect, salvation would not happen.

 

[Dave-L]

God did not murder Jesus, nor did Jesus commit suicide. Fallen sinful men murdered Jesus. Jesus simply did not defend himself and allowed it to happen.

Matt 26:53
Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?

So, Jesus, had wicked people kill him.
“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)