Is God Good?

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Dave-L said:
If God did not kill Jesus, nobody is saved.
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Cannot be proven using the Word. The only other time I have heard this argument is from atheists.How could I serve a God that murders His own Son? They have a good question.
 
garee said:
Neither of those references say that letter of the law death was no longer needed to convict the heart of men as to their need of a savior.

The old covenant that was set up when leaving Egypt. They failed as a nation to keep it . So then he gave it over to the whole world all the nations as a kingdom of priest . Satan could no longer deceive all nations according the flesh of one nation in that way ever again. He fell from that previous place.

It was not covenant of the law the letter death. It will be cast into the judgement fire along with the hell the consequence of violating it. Not one Jot or tittle will be removed under the sun .It is the last thing destroyed the second death .
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Long before the Ten Commandments, people knew how they wanted others to treat them. And became aware of their own sin by not treating others as their equal. Even today.
 
Dave-L said:
I agree with the historic creeds of the church. You do not agree with historic Christianity in places you disagree with me. Most only go back a hundred years or so and are considered heretics by the early church.
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I didn't ask what I believed, I ask what you believe. Which church backs up your beliefs, what church do you attend on a Sunday morning. I've never heard a Presby teach God murdered Christ either.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I didn't ask what I believed, I ask what you believe. Which church backs up your beliefs, what church do you attend on a Sunday morning. I've never heard a Presby teach God murdered Christ either.
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Who killed the animals in the garden to provide coverings for Adam's and Eve's sin? That became the symbol of Christ's atonement for sin since creation?
 
Dave-L said:
Adam wanted to sin but God controlled his steps.
“A person plans his course, but the LORD directs his steps.” Proverbs 16:9 (NET)
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To moment God detected sin in a persons heart they are consider guilty . The lord directed his steps. Do not eat you will die slowly (70 years) That was until mankind decided to follow the voice of a stranger that had form (no faith needed).And then the lying spirit directed the steps of mankind.

The letter of the law death carried out its law as it does today .One death for one birth.
 
Dave-L said:
Who killed the animals in the garden to provide coverings for Adam's and Eve's sin? That became the symbol of Christ's atonement for sin since creation?
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His glory departed exposing their nakedness. His glory will re-appear in the new heavens and earth.

Who said God killed a animal? Living sacrifices is what is required. God is not a lamb neither is he a man . Eternal Spirit is not made up of rudiments of this world.

Christian the new name the father named the virgin bride of Christ that he once called Israel . The symbol of Christ's atonement "is faith ".

Setting up a serpent on a bronze pole, brass symbolizes speaks of the judgment of the man of sin.. Satan.

Those in whom the Spirit of Christ worked in to move to look were saved. Those in whom the Spirt did not move to look they died . They remained blind to the parable. The symbol must be viewed by mixing faith. Comparing the temporal seen to the faithful understanding.( not seen) This shows where the power to believe God comes from .Not us.
 
John146 said:
The KJV cannot be proven wrong.😉
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Who wants to prove it wrong? I use it as my main bible. I can prove the deity of Christ from it with some difficulty. Or I can use a modern translation that employs Granville Sharp's rule, not available to translators in the 1600s. And clear up difficult passages in the KJV with a lot less work. So I have more than a toolbox containing "duck tape" and "WD40" to work with.
 
Dave-L said:
If God did not kill Jesus in the place of sinners, none would be saved.
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Who said Jesus was killed never to rise? Jesus suffered the pangs of hell unto death . Not dead never rising.

Eternal God who is not a man cannot die .. He worked with the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of God Kept the the Son of man breathing by strengthening him in order to finish the demonstration of the the two. When the Son cried out he was heard (dead men cannot hear.) it was the work of two working as one.
 
garee said:
Who said Jesus was killed never to rise? Jesus suffered the pangs of hell unto death . Not dead never rising.

Eternal God who is not a man cannot die .. He worked with the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of God Kept the the Son of man breathing by strengthening him in order to finish the demonstration of the the two. When the Son cried out he was heard (dead men cannot hear.) it was the work of two working as one.
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Where does it say Jesus is still buried?
 
Dave-L said:
Who wants to prove it wrong? I use it as my main bible. I can prove the deity of Christ from it with some difficulty. Or I can use a modern translation that employs Granville Sharp's rule, not available to translators in the 1600s. And clear up difficult passages in the KJV with a lot less work. So I have more than a toolbox containing "duck tape" and "WD40" to work with.
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“Clear up difficult passages” as in change the words to fit a certain theology? Never change the words. The KJV will define itself. No need to go outside the KJV to learn what God is saying.
 
John146 said:
“Clear up difficult passages” as in change the words to fit a certain theology? Never change the words. The KJV will define itself. No need to go outside the KJV to learn what God is saying.
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No, try to prove the deity of Christ from the KJV without Granville Sharp's rule.
 
Dave-L said:
The Ten Commandments were the Law. The New Covenant abolished them.
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Not true. In the new covenant, God's law is written in the heart and mind of the born again one:

Hebrews 10:16 his is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them





 
Dave-L said:
Jeremiah and Hebrews say the New Covenant replaced the old.
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Both Jeremiah and Hebrews state that God will write His law in the heart and mind of the believer:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;



 
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