I'm curious about a scripture

[shittim]

U must b kind y
Please remember , God is merciful ! Just because someone is in error now , doesn't mean that they won't understand at some point in the future ! Where there is life there is always hope ! We cannot help someone that we have pushed away .

"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks".
Bless you for your patience, sister Suze

 

[DavidLamb]

Are you even reading and comprehending my replies? Or are you here just to be disagreeable and argumentative over petty baloney.

I am certainly not here to be disagreeable and I apologise most humbly if I gave that impression. It just seemed that you were saying that E W Bullinger was connected with an organisation that promotes the Trinity. In fact he was secretary of a bible society, whose main purpose is to publish the scriptures. Sorry again that you thought I was being disagreeable.

 

[madman]

I am certainly not here to be disagreeable and I apologise most humbly if I gave that impression. It just seemed that you were saying that E W Bullinger was connected with an organisation that promotes the Trinity. In fact he was secretary of a bible society, whose main purpose is to publish the scriptures. Sorry again that you thought I was being disagreeable.

You are incredible! Sorry big guy but it's called the...

Trinitarian Bible Society

It just seemed that you were saying that E W Bullinger was connected with an organisation that promotes the Trinity.

Trinitarian Bible Society - Wikipedia

In the spring of 1867, at the age of 29, Bullinger became clerical secretary of the Trinitarian Bible Society, which he held, with rare lapses for illness in his later years, until his death, in 1913.[8]

 

[madman]

I am certainly not here to be disagreeable and I apologise most humbly if I gave that impression. It just seemed that you were saying that E W Bullinger was connected with an organisation that promotes the Trinity. In fact he was secretary of a bible society, whose main purpose is to publish the scriptures. Sorry again that you thought I was being disagreeable.

I can see you are having trouble coping. Have no fear. There's a pill for everything these days - even for conditions as bad as yours.

 

[Suze]

There is a Barna survey where 1,000 believers were asked if they believe in Trinity. Only 16% said they did!

It does seem to b quite common that people who believe in the trinity only spend time with others who believe in it . Most of the Christians that I know , from lots of different denominations , do not believe it . The only people I know personally that do , r catholics . I don't know where u r from but in Europe , especially north west Europe , the trinity is not widely believed except by catholics .
We have to respect each other regardless , God is extremely merciful and we r not to ever despise our fellow Christians ever .

 

[God-fearing]

I'm not sure any of us really know how the judgments will fall. In my heart of hearts, I would find it quite disturbing if a loving God condemned ordinary people to an eternal fiery inferno for living a vapors worth of life. It seems that there's a 'second chance' in the judgments.

Reading the scriptures it is quite clear that God gives every opportunity for man to repent, even at the end of the age he sends angles to proclaim the gospel. Who fly above the earth.
Christ reigning for 1000 yrs as Satan is put away from his lies of influence on mankind proves that it is the heart of man that refuses to change. For after he is loosed for a little time nations again are deceived. And war against Christ and the saints.
Stop creating your own God. When the second death is invoked it is with far better patients than anyone could possibly have with a people.
We have a loving God yes but also a just God who does not delight in the death of the wicked.
Mercy and forgiveness given freely to those who will except it, But how long shall the Holy one keep his wrath from coming?
What more could God do to prove who he is and what he has freely done for us.
For while we were yet sinners Christ gave his life for ours. The second death takes no prisoners but torments day and night those who reject and refuse to believe the son. For the work of the father is to believe the son.

 

[God-fearing]

Spurgeon is a perfect example why Trinitarians won't come clean. But won't go there.

The issue with Trinity is more than the doctrine itself, it's about upholding the reputation of thousands of highly respected theologians. Over the last 1,600 years the number of books, articles, and sermons taught and preached on Trinity by highly respected and educated Theologians supporting Trinity is in the millions!

Diehard Trinitarians have been in damage control since the doctrine's development. They've "Closed the Crash Doors" by shunning and shaming people. They are hypocrites.

E.W Bullinger and T.D. Jakes are perfect examples. Trinitarians did everything they could to destroy the character and reputation after T.D. Jakes came OUT of the Trinitarian closet. They did everything they could to destroy the man. They didn't want a popular televangelist exposing their Trinitarian foolishness. So, he conceded because he knew that if he didn't the badmouthing would continue, and his reputation destroyed. The cash cow gone.

E.W. Bullinger was the secretary of the Trinitarian Society. On his death bed he revealed his rejection of trinity. He knew that had he disclosed his rejection of Trinity beforehand; his works would never have been published.

Very few big shots like MacArthur and the like admit making mistakes. Christians have trouble admitting mistakes and usually their mistakes are acquired from listening to these 'big shots'. Like you listening to Spurgeon. If the 'big shots' were to admit Trinity is ONE BIG MISTAKE, that would destroy the authority, legitimacy and reputation of thousands of well-respected influential Trinitarian authors!

The crux of the Trinitarian matter basically revolves around the nonsense of a fabricated hypostatic Union - AKA the two natures. That's really the only answer Trinitarians have.

In the 20 or so years I've debated this, NOT ONE person has ever proved the Hypostatic Union!

These things drive good people OUT of Christianity and people looking in want nothing to do with us.

Trinity has become a cult within Christianity. Diehard Trinitarians have been in damage control since the doctrine's development. That's why they, "Close the Crash Doors" and shame and shun people!

The Trinity is found in the first verse of the Bible. Imo. Which i stand firm on.

In the beginning ĕlôhı̂ym created the heavens and the earth. ĕlôhı̂ym is plural not singular.

Which brings more understanding to verse on who God is addressing.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

[madman]

Stop creating your own God. When the second death is invoked it is with far better patients than anyone could possibly have with a people.

Sometimes, I wonder why I even participate here with snide comments like this.

Why would I want to stick around? Stop the accusations and nonsense would you please?

 

[studentoftheword]

The wages of sin is death ----and so is trying to keep the letter of the laws -----the letter of the law kills says Scripture -------

This refers to the 2nd death ======you die physically and then you die Spiritually and are eternally away from God forever -----sin and the law bring you eternal torment ---the 2nd death ----this is for unbelievers --

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[God-fearing]

Sometimes, I wonder why I even participate here with snide comments like this.

Why would I want to stick around? Stop the accusations and nonsense would you please?

To second think the final judgment is adding to God's word. ..Now the trinity is open to those who try to understand the mystery of God.
I dont consider it doctrine worthy but as a tool of a complex understanding of God's word.
And as I posted before hand the possibility can be found in the first verse of the Bible.
I haven't read all of your comments here but you lean towards it being a made up lie according to your sources.
As I can debate the witness of 3 in a mature manner I will not debate a non scriptural suggestion which is dangerous to the ears of the unknowing.
If you took this in offense I can't undo that.

 

[madman]

To second think the final judgment is adding to God's word.

That doesn't make any sense. The nonsensical accusations here run deep. It's good to question ourselves, what we already believe. Do you have everything right and no longer question yourself?

We are encouraged to 'second think' the scriptures.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[madman]

To second think the final judgment is adding to God's word.

Psalm 55...

It is not an enemy who taunts me—
I could bear that.
It is not my foes who so arrogantly insult me—
I could have hidden from them.

Instead, it is you—my equal,
my companion and close friend

What good fellowship we once enjoyed
as we walked together to the house of God.

 

[madman]

To second think the final judgment is adding to God's word. ..Now the trinity is open to those who try to understand the mystery of God.
I dont consider it doctrine worthy but as a tool of a complex understanding of God's word.
And as I posted before hand the possibility can be found in the first verse of the Bible.
I haven't read all of your comments here but you lean towards it being a made up lie according to your sources.
As I can debate the witness of 3 in a mature manner I will not debate a non scriptural suggestion which is dangerous to the ears of the unknowing.
If you took this in offense I can't undo that.

Let's start here...

It has all to do with Rome - a sect of Christianity many of you associate with Babylon. How did the Trinity develop?

Most Trinitarians deny the historical development of the Trinity.
I shouldn't have to go through the uprisings between Athanasius and company, and Arius and company. And I shouldn't have to explain how and why Constantine responded the way he did.

The facts...

1. Jesus became God in AD 325 at the council of Nicaea.

2. The holy spirit became God in AD 381 at the council of Constantinople.

151 years after Jesus became God, he acquired two natures....

3. Then, because the Bishops of Rome could not resolve multiple "CO-EQUAL' contradictions, they overcame those contradictions in AD 451 under Pope Leo the Great. That's when Jesus acquired TWO NATURES... the nonsense of a hypostatic union - the ultimate Trinitarian cop-out.

It took the bishops of Rome over 200 years to develop the Trinity doctrine
We don’t know for sure who coined the term ‘Trinity’. But the earliest documents that mention it are by Theophilus, bishop of Antioch in the late 2nd century which is over 150 years after Jesus. So, I think between Theophilus and company, and Tertullian and company, the term was coined.

 

[Magenta]

Why would I want to stick around?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Karlon]

What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.

it means the unrepentant sinner's sins are a path to death & life in hell permanently. if a sinner repents & chooses to believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit & becomes a born again Christian, his or her sins are forgiven. but hold on, this is where people get the wrong interpretation working in their lives. i've heard people say, "oh, i'll become a Christian, sin as much as i want & God will forgive me my sins". AIN'T NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!! NO, NO, NO!!!! as born again Christians, YOU WILL NOT, NOT, WANT TO SIN. you have the H.S. living inside you communicating with you, teaching, comforting, guiding, protecting you in life. He tells you all the rights & wrongs. your brand new regenerated nature will take any desires away from you to sin. but if you do sin, God will forgive you because it isn't going to be permanent unrepentant sin. so, an example is: someone becomes born again & the person had a sin habit of lying, as a regenerated born again Christian, he or she will forsake lying & improve truth telling. all former sins will be forsaken never willingly committed again. study 2nd Corinthians 5:17 & Romans 12:2.

 

[PennEd]

I also do not believe in the trinity ,

You are certainly free to not believe this heresy.

However, if you promote heresy that’s a different thing.

On a side note, I believe unless you’re a baby Christian, and lacking understanding and maturity, those denying the Trinity are NOT saved.

I believe that to be an essential element of THE Gospel unto Salvation.

 

[Magenta]

You are certainly free to not believe this heresy.

However, if you promote heresy that’s a different thing.

On a side note, I believe unless you’re a baby Christian, and lacking understanding and maturity, those denying the Trinity are NOT saved.

I believe that to be an essential element of THE Gospel unto Salvation.

They are banned. And yes, not knowing Jesus amounts to not being saved.

 

[Eli1]

U probably won't get the chance now . I also do not believe in the trinity , I'm sure that anyone who previously liked me on here is now not going to but , I can cope with that . It was nice knowing u .

Suze, have you had any discussions with folks about Trinity?
Or have you had ALL the discussions in the world during your life and you’re too tired to discuss this one more time?

 

[PennEd]

They are banned. And yes, not knowing Jesus amounts to not being saved.

I’m hoping Suze has a change of heart on this vital issue.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.

The wages of sin is death meaning We all deserve to spiritually be apart from God because He does sin and cannot look at sin. The gift of God is eternal life, the gift of God is the sacrifice of Jesus as payment for our sins.