And I never called you ignorant. I simply asked you what you were talking about because it made no sense to me. If the Atlantic understanding joke offended you then i apologize. I thought it was obvious you meant specific understanding.
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Wrong again silly jokes and your babbling don't offend me try again to answer the question
I’m good. This is a pointless conversation. Have a good day. It’s John 19:11 by the way.
Pointless to the person who started the disagreement ?. yep pretty much somes up your worth of believing, which is your just a follower and it's upto you if you follow
ok well please provide with scripture what may have been the Pacific reason why Jesus was saying forgive them they not what they do ? Like I have to you
I don't think there is such a verse my friend not to my knowledge at least I also cannot just take a verse out of context to make it say something it isn't so that is out the window.
But perhaps I missed the verse you have because I do not recall such a verse I recall your post about Pilate and his wife having a dream but I also have not slept at all so it may have passed my gaze
Physical death by crucifixion would have been extremely painful and humiliating , not to mention the emotional distress of knowing that your loved ones would b watching and their hearts would have been breaking also . U don't seem to have much of an imagination
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Sorry? what do you mean? what did I say wrong?Physical death by crucifixion would have been extremely painful and humiliating , not to mention the emotional distress of knowing that your loved ones would b watching and their hearts would have been breaking also . U don't seem to have much of an imagination
I don't believe for one minute Jesus was saying forgive them they not not what they do, for without Good reason or without cause, the only plausible explanation is the crowd believed Jesus was guilty and not innocent,
Why well pontas was told by his wife who in my opinion was given a dream by God to show Jesus was an innocent man, meaning not to condem him, but that was going to happen anyway mans own will was going to condem what they couldn't understand , because mans will is to please the crowd before they do God here, so pontas was made aware that he should believe, but Jesus knew he wouldn't anyhoo, but never the Less Jesus still convicted him. Because that's what the spirit does. So once again it point towards God providing the means before hand, because God had provided a dream before hand to his wife, the words of his wife was hes innocent.
Meaning pontas was made aware that if he condemned him then the crowds would believe he was not innocent, so now could you see the Pacific reason why Jesus may have said forgive them for they no what they do ?
So am I to understand that in your opinion the crowd was in fact misled and thus innocent but Pontas was guilty because he was warned beforehand by the dream of his wife?
Well that's the whole top and bottom of it,
If pontas had confirmed he was innocent would that not have persuaded the crowd to stop demanding his death ?
Maybe, the crowd was pretty set on killing him like passionately so but it is possible
Scripture also doesn’t say that God sent the dream. It could’ve just as well been satan that sent the dream to mess up God’s plan.
I never thought of that that is a good point even peter didn't want him to go through with it and Jesus said get behind me satan
Incredible satan entered Judas and Judas sold Jesus out.
What plans do you believe Satan has full knowledge of when it comes to knowing the lords plans, well none actually.
something else that you can add to your wisdom, if satan knew all the plans of the lord has why did he think he could persuade Jesus to follow him, not so clever now your opinion is it.
Err I don't think so, Satan then went for his disciples to get to Jesus, satan wanted Jesus dead not knowing his plans,
And seeing as satan hated him and wanted him dead try to believe that he wouldn't appear in a dream making out he was innocent, because actually that could prevent what satan wanted, which is he wanted Jesus dead.
The church leaders also wanted him dead, and satan led Judas to them high priests to give them what they wanted, as that's what demons do, they want people to die who don't follow them.
But anyhoo go right on ahead and dismiss it again, its really quite something you associate satan with innocence
still don't see you providing an answer from scripture the Pacific reason why Jesus said forgive them they know not what they do.
Now you've come to finally understand Jesus never said that on the bases that he wasn't saying that, because they never knew all the things they do wrong, so what else could that Pacific reason be why Jesus said forgiven them they know not what they do from scripture please.
Again I have to remind you I've provided one