If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

[Blackpowderduelist]

I trust in Jesus every day and have ceased my works of the law, and the toil of vanity, and have entered into the rest of Christ, and therefore Sabbath every day

 

[posthuman]

Good question. One that turns the cogs.
Because God rescued us from slavery He commanded that we observe His Sabbath. It would be neglecting God and what He is doing for us.

i could say the same thing about observing the feast of Passover.
so are the feasts 'moral' commandments?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

i could say the same thing about observing the feast of Passover.
so are the feasts 'moral' commandments?

Too rational

 

[Blik]

Keeping the Sabbath is the only commandment that is two part. Moral and ceremonial. The moral part is unchangeable just as the other commandments. The ceremonial part is changeable because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is risen on the third day. Which was the first day of the week. also known by the first Christians as the eighth day. I think the first Christians weren't sure about this question either. They went to the temple and synagogues on Saturdays and preached Christ in imitation of their Lord. They broke bread on the day their Lord rose from the grave having defeated death. The Holy Spirit guided them to the knowledge that the day they commemorated their Lord Jesus Christ met the moral obligation of the Sabbath day rest. How? TThey weren't allowed to go to the temple or synagogues any longer unless they denounced Christ. Today I find it a bit ignorant if not anti-christian to believe that the day Our Lord resurrected isn't a good enough reason to change a ceremonial law. Jesus IS the Lord of the Sabbath.

In the first place, Jesus is God and there is no difference between the ways of Jesus and the ways of the Father. If you know the Father, you know Jesus and if you know Jesus, you know the Father.

And there is no scripture telling us that Jesus rose on Sunday. There is scripture telling us it was discovered that Jesus rose on Sunday, but a discovery of something does not mean it happened on the day it was discovered.

To say that God changed what God had established as a Sabbath because Christ rose on Sunday does not make sense. Christ rose. God established a day that God blessed. Two entirely different things. Not in the least related.

Then to make this into something to divide Christians and have them quarrel about compounds the issue.

 

[Blik]

i could say the same thing about observing the feast of Passover.
so are the feasts 'moral' commandments?

The feasts are ways God tells us of to praise and celebrate His plan for our salvation. The spring feasts praise that Christ is the first human who lives eternally, and that Christ gave his blood for us. The middle feast is praising the law and celebrating that it is written on our hearts. The fall feasts tell us of the return of Christ and how we will finally live forever with Him.

The feasts are not ceremonial, they are an expression of love and praising God.

 

[Blik]

why is the law full of sacrifices to cover sins?
was it expected that they would never be necessary? or was it expected that they would be absolutely necessary.
there are daily sacrifices commanded. there are sacrifices required to cleanse the very altar that the subsequent sacrifices are made on, and to purify the priests who will make them. blood, blood, blood everywhere.

we know the law was a schoolmaster ((Galatians 3 again)): what's all that blood and inescapably required atonement supposed to be teaching Israel? that observance of the law would justify them before God?

nope

so this speaks of Christ, emphatically. of salvation by grace through faith, apart from works.
God dismissed their fig leaves as insufficient, shed blood Himself, and made them coverings, Himself. Salvation is not our work but God's ♥

we have an Advocate

The law is how God created our world to operate at its best. Sacrifice for sin is something that Jesus did for us. Why are you saying the law is full of sacrifice? They are two entirely different things.

 

[Dino246]

The law is how God created our world to operate at its best.

On what scriptural basis do you make this claim?

 

[tourist]

i could say the same thing about observing the feast of Passover.
so are the feasts 'moral' commandments?

They may not be moral commandments but they certainly aren't immoral ones either.

 

[bud62]

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I do not frustrate the grace of God:​

for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain!​

(Galatians 2:21) ​

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let me remind you again of what God reveals and teaches in Exodus 31:13 & Ezekiel 20:12
yes we will be unable to enter His rest if we do not keep 'it is the LORD who sanctifies, not we who sanctify ourselves' holy.

The Commandments is the Laws that HE write On OUR hearts And our part of the COVENANT, and to break them is sin and breaking your Covenant with GOD,
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[peldom10]

No
the PERSECUTION will come when the Sunday laws are enforce, A law that will GO AGAINST GOD'S LAW, this is when Sunday will become the MARK OF THE BEAST,. And the Catholic Church already tells us that it is there MARK, And say that those that keep Sunday worship them by KEEPING sunday OVER THE 7th day that GOD says TO keep HOLY.

Please explain your difference of sabbath and seven days?
Knowing God knew we would need doctors,nurses,fireman,policeman, etc...daily...why wouldn't a different day for those be included in God's word....sabbath?

 

[Blik]

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.

Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 refer to the whole old covenant law including the ten commandments.

Leviticus 19 lists 5 of the 10 commandments as well as 24 references to the "ceremonial law" and calls them My statures and all My ordinances without differentiation.

In Deuteronomy 5:1 the ten commandments are called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Deuteronomy 5:1-6:25 we have two whole chapters that deal exclusively with the ten commandments and the following 5 terms are used interchangeably without distinction: "statutes", "ordinances", "commandments", "judgments", "testimonies."

In Ezekiel 20:19-21 My sabbaths (including the weekly sabbath) is called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Nehemiah 9:13-14 the weekly sabbath is included without distinction: "ordinances, true laws, good statutes, commandments."

Malachi chapter 4 closes with a call to keep "statutes and ordinances" which obviously include the 10 commandments.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

I wonder why you are so opposed to the Lord giving us rules that are ways to love?

I am so scolded for saying the law is of God, the law is good, hoping to counteract your posts against law. It is as if you are winning, but your win does not seem to me a win for the Lord.

Do you mean for your posts to simply point out that obedience to the law without love makes the law null and void? Scripture tells us this is so.. If that is your aim, I wish you would plainly state this.

 

[Blik]

You are rather biased in your criticism. Read carefully the comments by the "Sabbath keepers" as well as the "Sunday keepers" and see whether the "ridicule" is coming from only one side of the fence.

Do you actually think that all these posts opposing the idea that God blessed the last day of the week is not ridiculing anyone who thinks that? I believe that is what God did, and many posts make me feel I am being beaten up for believing this. Then they actually turn around and want me to go to an empty church on Saturday, bypassing the meeting of the church for actually saying I believe this.

 

[tourist]

Do you actually think that all these posts opposing the idea that God blessed the last day of the week is not ridiculing anyone who thinks that? I believe that is what God did, and many posts make me feel I am being beaten up for believing this. Then they actually turn around and want me to go to an empty church on Saturday, bypassing the meeting of the church for actually saying I believe this.

God indeed blessed the last day of the week and made it holy.

 

[posthuman]

And there is no scripture telling us that Jesus rose on Sunday. There is scripture telling us it was discovered that Jesus rose on Sunday, but a discovery of something does not mean it happened on the day it was discovered.

yes, there is:

He was crucified on Pascha -- 1 Cor. 5:7
He rose on the 3rd day -- 1 Cor. 15:4

Pascha is not a sabbath - they could do the work of taking Him down, and Nicodemus had burial spices ready. he & Joseph of Arimathea took Him off the cross before sundown, which was the beginning of the high sabbath, the feast of unleavened bread.
on that day the women could not bring or prepare burial spices.
the next day was the weekly sabbath.
on that day the women could not bring burial spices.
the next day, an 8th day, which is a 1st day, beginning at sunset, was the feast of firstfruits -- Leviticus 23:11, 1 Corinthians 15:23
on this day, the 3rd which is 8th which is 1st, He rose, sometime between sunset and just before dawn. The Daystar -- 2 Peter 1:19

 

[bud62]

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For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. ​

(Romans 5:13) ​

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this verse proves several things. here's a few of them: NOT so, GOD is wiser then you think,

• sin definitely exists without the law. __You got your mind on the wrong laws, GOD's laws GO way BACK,
• the law doesn't 'create sin'__ YES GOD'S laws makes it sin, Sin is DISOBEYING GOD, that is the only thing that does make it SIN, Nothing else CAN. you could couldn't be any more wrong, THEN to say GOD'S law does not create Sin,
  • re: Romans 5:20 & c.f. Galatians 3:19 -- the law was added because of transgression
    • therefore transgression pre-exists the law,____ Wrong law that was the sacrificial laws
• people & angels can sin/transgress without the existence of the law. They also GOT GOD LAWS, What do you think Is in the ARK in HEAVEN, the one that Israel HAD was JUST A copy of the one in HEAVEN, and BEING A COPY MEAT THAT GOD'S Commandments ARE IN GOD'S THRONE
• the law is not from everlasting to everlasting -- there is explicitly a time ,___ Being in GOD'S throne, there is no telling how old it is, I would think HE had the LAWS BEFORE the ANGELS was ever Created, I think GOD is wise enough that HE knew that HE had to have the laws to govern, the Angels before they were CREATED
• the world existed before the law. I think YOU ARE VERY WRONG, GOD does not have A beginning, So GOD'S laws could be 500.000,000 And possibly MUCH OLDER THEN THAT.
• sin existed before the law. You GOT to HAVE A law BEFORE YOU CAN BREAK A LAW, I AM DUM BUT I AM STILL smarter then THAT, the breaking of GOD'S law is what SIN IS, sin existed before the sacrificial LAWS that Moses GIVE BUT certainly not GOD'S LAWS

You and some of the OTHERS Are trying TO tell me that The Ten commandments started at Moses, But GOD says that Abraham keep HIS commandments about 430 years BE FOR Moses even was born, So THE BIBLE SAYS that you are WRONG.
GENESIS 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You are looking At the wrong LAW THAT was the law OF MOSES that we added, He added sacrificial laws that he added
Because they were breaking the ten commandments he added them,
3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
THIS tells US that the Sacrificial laws was added because OF transgression, till Christ came.

 

[posthuman]

But GOD says that Abraham keep HIS commandments about 430 years BE FOR Moses even was born

the Bible that God wrote says the law didn't come until 430 years after Abraham. Galatians 3:17.

the Bible that God wrote calls the law, the law. it doesn't treat the law like something you can delete things from willy-nilly.
the Bible that God wrote explicitly calls the 10 commandments "the covenant" made at Sinai. Deuteronomy 4:13.
the Bible that God wrote says that when Jesus of Nazareth said "new" the old covenant - those 10 commandments - were made old. Hebrews 8:13.


you're wrong, @bud62
you're faithful to the traditions you have been taught, but they were wrong too. we are not under law, but grace.
the gospel is not the 10 commandments. the gospel is not going to lunch at Denny's on sundays or even on saturdays. the gospel is not a ministry of death engraved on stones. the gospel is salvation by grace through faith in the crucified, risen, ascended & returning Son, God born hidden in the flesh, to set you free from the slavery of the letter of the commandments, so that you may worship Him in truth and in spirit, not on this mountain or in Jerusalem.

the gospel is dying with Him: the power of sin, which is the law, having no more jurisdiction over you, so that you may become the servant of God no longer under the mastery of what enslaved you, and live to Him.

have you read Romans at all, @bud62 ? please go look at chapters 1-8 again.

 

[shittim]

GALATIANS 5:4
KJ21
Christ then becomes of no effect unto you, whosoever of you claim justification by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Dino246]

Do you actually think that all these posts opposing the idea that God blessed the last day of the week...

Quote even one such post. No paraphrases, no generalized accusations, but an actual QUOTATION of someone's post where they CLEARLY OPPOSE the idea that God blessed the last day of the week.

Do you actually think that... is not ridiculing anyone who thinks that?

YES. I actually think that is not ridiculing those who think He did; however, I don't believe anyone has actually done what you claim.

I believe that is what God did, and many posts make me feel I am being beaten up for believing this. Then they actually turn around and want me to go to an empty church on Saturday, bypassing the meeting of the church for actually saying I believe this.

You feel beaten up because you completely misinterpret disagreement as violence. You also misinterpret what people are telling you.

 

[bud62]

Please explain your difference of sabbath and seven days?
Knowing God knew we would need doctors,nurses,fireman,policeman, etc...daily...why wouldn't a different day for those be included in God's word....sabbath?

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
1. 7th Day.is our Saturday That God Blessed and sanctified, Blessed is spiritual happiness and the favor of God.
1. sanctified = Made holy; consecrated; set apart for sacred services}
2.sanctified = Affectedly holy.

 

[Papou]

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
1. 7th Day.is our Saturday That God Blessed and sanctified, Blessed is spiritual happiness and the favor of God.
1. sanctified = Made holy; consecrated; set apart for sacred services}
2.sanctified = Affectedly holy.

You depend too much on the OT ! The old is obsolete, the NT is the only one that counts.

Saturday is not a time to worship but to party and have fun ...