If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

Blik · Dec 6, 2020

I certainly believe the go to church on Sunday people who actually believe it is God who tells them to do that certainly must do their Sunday worship.

However, I do not think they have a leg to stand on to ridicule people who believe God blessed the seventh day saying it is cheating God. No where in scripture does it tells us God took this blessing away from the seventh day. The ten commandments have been updated by the Lord when they were given to us in our hearts, but it is still true that the commandments are of love. Keeping the Sabbath as God blessed it for us is certainly related to love of the Lord. There is no where in scripture that tells us God changed the day God blessed. There is no where that God tells us that He takes back that He made man to work six days and rest on a seventh. Yet post after post goes on and on about people who believe these scriptures. It is not right for them to do that. They are trying to stand in the way that some people believe it is right to worship. They are trying to tear down fellow Christians, not uphold them.

Nehemiah6 · Dec 6, 2020

TMS said:

The powers of this world have no use for a sabbath, so this is moot.

They will be setting up a shrine for the worship of Wuhan virus for the common good etc. They will be asking for human sacrifices to appease this god of deception through bogus vaccines.

Sounds like the Seventh Day Adventists have managed to brainwash you. Since they believe that Sunday worship means taking the Mark of the Beast, according to them the majority of Christians are already doomed. Wuhan virus is just icing on the cake!

Benadam · Dec 6, 2020

Keeping the Sabbath is the only commandment that is two part. Moral and ceremonial. The moral part is unchangeable just as the other commandments. The ceremonial part is changeable because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is risen on the third day. Which was the first day of the week. also known by the first Christians as the eighth day. I think the first Christians weren't sure about this question either. They went to the temple and synagogues on Saturdays and preached Christ in imitation of their Lord. They broke bread on the day their Lord rose from the grave having defeated death. The Holy Spirit guided them to the knowledge that the day they commemorated their Lord Jesus Christ met the moral obligation of the Sabbath day rest. How? TThey weren't allowed to go to the temple or synagogues any longer unless they denounced Christ. Today I find it a bit ignorant if not anti-christian to believe that the day Our Lord resurrected isn't a good enough reason to change a ceremonial law. Jesus IS the Lord of the Sabbath.

mailmandan · Dec 6, 2020

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.

Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 refer to the whole old covenant law including the ten commandments.

Leviticus 19 lists 5 of the 10 commandments as well as 24 references to the "ceremonial law" and calls them My statures and all My ordinances without differentiation.

In Deuteronomy 5:1 the ten commandments are called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Deuteronomy 5:1-6:25 we have two whole chapters that deal exclusively with the ten commandments and the following 5 terms are used interchangeably without distinction: "statutes", "ordinances", "commandments", "judgments", "testimonies."

In Ezekiel 20:19-21 My sabbaths (including the weekly sabbath) is called "My statures and all My ordinances."

In Nehemiah 9:13-14 the weekly sabbath is included without distinction: "ordinances, true laws, good statutes, commandments."

Malachi chapter 4 closes with a call to keep "statutes and ordinances" which obviously include the 10 commandments.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 6, 2020

I think I will make every day holy, but as Paul said, won’t judge the weak who think we only keep one day Holy

Magenta · Dec 6, 2020

Dino246 said:

A former member (now banned) once said it was breaking God's commandment to worship Him on Sunday

Yeah, sometimes the things people say are just so out there, they are beyond ridiculous.

Though of course, he would not admit to his error. LOL

bud62 · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

So GOD destroyed A whole world for nothing, If they didn't have GOD'S LAWS They could not sin,
GOD told Cain 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
there was SIN, Which Means they had GOD'S laws, It is called rebellion against GOD'S laws, which is happing again,in this present world,
ROMANS 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
To say that they did not have GOD'S laws, is ignorance,

shittim · Dec 6, 2020

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bib...rd-with-all-your-heart-mean-in-the-bible.html

Christ came to make ALL things new. All means ALL, so many stumble on that truth.
Jesus died that Holy Spirit might come and guide us individually in ALL truth, is anyone here guided by Holy Spirit to go back under the law?

posthuman · Dec 6, 2020

Benadam said:

what's moral about ceremonially ceasing from certain physical activities?

Grandpa · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

Romans 5:12-13
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

They had Gods Laws, just not the 10 Commandments.

Gods Laws are NOT the 10 commandments. Gods Laws existed eternally but the 10 commandments were given at Sinai.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 6, 2020

Grandpa said:

Also, the ten commands (the law written in stone) are called the ministers of death written in stone

bud62 · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

GOD saved HIS people of of Egypt and after GOD saved HIS people, those that rebelled and wouldn't keep HIS laws HE destroyed, AND SAID THAT THEY wouldn't enter into HIS REST { wouldn't BE saved} I do not believe THAT GOD would destroy them for rebellion, and not destroy those that are not keeping HIS LAWS NOW, It is still REBELLION, AND GOD HAS NOT CHANGE,
1 JOHN 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Dino246 · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

There was far more going on that led to God's decision to flood the whole earth. Man's sin does not explain it.

By the way, you're using an argument from silence; that is invalid reasoning. Please do some research on logical fallacies.

calibob · Dec 6, 2020

Blik said:

When I wrote cheating God it was referring to the 1 day a week folks. I think they have it backwards. The law was done away with so why not treat every as the sabbath day. Not to rest, but rejoice and keep the fact that Jesus lives in our hearts and minds. he lives within and among us everyday, everywhere all of the time and always. He never took a day off in at least 2000 years and never will at least until the end of time. That's all of why I posted it from the beginning.

posthuman · Dec 6, 2020

Benadam said:

daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ

(Acts 5:42)

it's simple pragmatism that if you want to find & talk to Jews, going to the synagogue on saturdays is an optimal strategy.
they brought them the gospel. but they did this daily not *just on saturday* -- any example of the disciples preaching in a synagogue is therefore not evidence of them observing the ceremonial cessation of physical activity or congregation on this day; it's better explained as taking opportunistic advantage of an already-assembled target audience.

calibob · Dec 6, 2020

The creator rested on the sabbath, his son didn't he arose from the dead. That changed everything. The old religion passed away Ton Calvary. On the third day it was replaced by Christianity. I am not a Jew, never was. I'm circumcized of the heart. The former, no longer matters. Why did Paul rebuke Peter? Peter was trying to enforce the law is why. In other words Paul wrote and said, "STOP IT!"

Dino246 · Dec 6, 2020

Blik said:

I certainly believe the go to church on Sunday people who actually believe it is God who tells them to do that certainly must do their Sunday worship.

However, I do not think they have a leg to stand on to ridicule people who believe God blessed the seventh day saying it is cheating God. No where in scripture does it tells us God took this blessing away from the seventh day. The ten commandments have been updated by the Lord when they were given to us in our hearts, but it is still true that the commandments are of love. Keeping the Sabbath as God blessed it for us is certainly related to love of the Lord. There is no where in scripture that tells us God changed the day God blessed. There is no where that God tells us that He takes back that He made man to work six days and rest on a seventh. Yet post after post goes on and on about people who believe these scriptures. It is not right for them to do that. They are trying to stand in the way that some people believe it is right to worship. They are trying to tear down fellow Christians, not uphold them.

You are rather biased in your criticism. Read carefully the comments by the "Sabbath keepers" as well as the "Sunday keepers" and see whether the "ridicule" is coming from only one side of the fence.

posthuman · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

(Hebrews 3:19)

they could not enter His Rest not because of failing to keep the law -- but because of unbelief.

so too throughout the NT we see Christ & His disciples telling people they will die in their sins if they do not believe.

He said to them,
“You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins!”
(John 8:23-24)

posthuman · Dec 6, 2020

bud62 said:

I do not frustrate the grace of God:
for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain!
(Galatians 2:21)

let me remind you again of what God reveals and teaches in Exodus 31:13 & Ezekiel 20:12
yes we will be unable to enter His rest if we do not keep 'it is the LORD who sanctifies, not we who sanctify ourselves' holy.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 6, 2020

Dino246 said:

All he did was show he does not understand the issue, people can obey the law, yet still be in sin, they can obey the command, yet still be in sin

they have no comprehension of the root of sin, all they want to do is look at the command,

the flood occurred because the people had reached a state no matter what God did they would not repent (unless God forced them to, which he will not do.

they did not need the law to tell them they were in sin, paul tells us in Romans 1 they knew, but hardened their hearts,

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