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DavidTree, are you "amillennialist" ?
A more precise figure would be 1525 OT entries and 325 NT entries. Give or take. Good luck!yes, of course--but then since there are so many maybe you could select at least three.
I think you need to find out what is going on here.....and it ain't amillenialism."Truth is ever to be found in simplicity and not the multiplicity and confusion of things."--Sir Isaac Newton.
I think it's best to simply quote scripture and not dissect it like this--I'm sorry to say I can't make sense of these First and Seconds. Please show me a verse that speaks of the Millennial Reign other than the symbolic one in Revelation--unfortunately if you take that as a LITERAL reign, then you will have to make everything in Revelation literal--the dragon, the prostitute, the many waters, the lake of fire, etc etc....
The danger of premillienialism is that it DENIES that Christ after his ascension is REIGNING NOW.
"We believe He came to earth to establish His kingdom and has been reigning as king since the church began on Pentecost. To say that Jesus is not now reigning as King would be to deny or belittle many major Bible truths. In particular, it belittles Jesus' pre-eminence as King."--https://www.gospelway.com/man/jesus-king-priest.php
See numerous scriptures in the above article.
Straw man argument. Christ Jesus has never been anything less than King and Lord.....ever."Truth is ever to be found in simplicity and not the multiplicity and confusion of things."--Sir Isaac Newton.
I think it's best to simply quote scripture and not dissect it like this--I'm sorry to say I can't make sense of these First and Seconds. Please show me a verse that speaks of the Millennial Reign other than the symbolic one in Revelation--unfortunately if you take that as a LITERAL reign, then you will have to make everything in Revelation literal--the dragon, the prostitute, the many waters, the lake of fire, etc etc....
The danger of premillienialism is that it DENIES that Christ after his ascension is REIGNING NOW.
"We believe He came to earth to establish His kingdom and has been reigning as king since the church began on Pentecost. To say that Jesus is not now reigning as King would be to deny or belittle many major Bible truths. In particular, it belittles Jesus' pre-eminence as King."--https://www.gospelway.com/man/jesus-king-priest.php
See numerous scriptures in the above article.
Straw man argument. Christ Jesus has never been anything less than King and Lord.....ever.
@Laura798 (re: your Post #1380) ,
The "amill-teachings" CONFLATE the two distinct "raise" issues in Acts 3 -
--one "raise" referring to His being "raised" up to a position of prominence in/for His earthly ministry BEFORE His death / Cross (re: "His SERVANT Jesus" vv.13,26 and vv.22 and 24 [with v.24, see 1Sam8:7 as compared with Lk19:14 (see also v.11) and what was said by Joseph's brothers in Gen37:8 re: Joseph's FIRST dream, paralleling Christ's FIRST coming/advent]);
-the other "raise" referring to His being "raised" from the dead AFTER the Cross / AFTER His death [obviously], v.15
...and by their [the "amill-teachings"] conflating of these two distinct "raise" issues in Acts 3, have consequently missed the point that Peter is actually conveying in this text.
Jesus is quite literally King of hell and Lord of judgement.....reigning over and punishing those men and demons who will hate Him forever."Truth is ever to be found in simplicity and not the multiplicity and confusion of things."--Sir Isaac Newton.
I think it's best to simply quote scripture and not dissect it like this--I'm sorry to say I can't make sense of these First and Seconds. Please show me a verse that speaks of the Millennial Reign other than the symbolic one in Revelation--unfortunately if you take that as a LITERAL reign, then you will have to make everything in Revelation literal--the dragon, the prostitute, the many waters, the lake of fire, etc etc....
The danger of premillienialism is that it DENIES that Christ after his ascension is REIGNING NOW.
"We believe He came to earth to establish His kingdom and has been reigning as king since the church began on Pentecost. To say that Jesus is not now reigning as King would be to deny or belittle many major Bible truths. In particular, it belittles Jesus' pre-eminence as King."--https://www.gospelway.com/man/jesus-king-priest.php
See numerous scriptures in the above article.
and i'm asking that you show your sources--not just pick numbers--i'm fairly certain you did not take the time to count them yourself--facts such as numbers of verses should be backed up with other respected sources.A more precise figure would be 1525 OT entries and 325 NT entries. Give or take. Good luck!
i think we won't be getting anywhere--i'm sorry, but to say I lack 'perspective'--makes no sense whatsoever--I have not shared my 'perspective as you called it but facts based on scripture. i certainly don't want to argue. i hope some will read this and instead of digging their heels in to support man made doctrine, will, as the Bereans did search the Scriptures to see if what I and others say is true.Jesus is quite literally King of hell and Lord of judgement.....reigning over and punishing those men and demons who will hate Him forever.
You lack perspective.
On the contrary, you presume that premillenialists do NOT believe that Jesus is reigning now, today. It is implied in your argument.I haven't made any argument in that post--saying Christ is ruling and reigning now--is a FACT, so it can't be called a strawman argument.
Sorry lady....do your own homework. We premillenialists have already gathered our manna and filled our lamps.and i'm asking that you show your sources--not just pick numbers--i'm fairly certain you did not take the time to count them yourself--facts such as numbers of verses should be backed up with other respected sources.
I think you need to find out what is going on here.....and it ain't amillenialism.
Mat 16:27 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
then what is your point of defending your position in the first place? it seems to me if you could base your argument on FACTS you would do so. also, i can see by you calling me derogatorily 'lady' you are defending your own belief system, than the kingdom of God.Sorry lady....do your own homework. We premillenialists have already gathered our manna and filled our lamps.
Presumption is not a strawman argument. Additionally, A king reigns once--Christ's kingdom is not an earthly kingdom, but a spiritual one. The Jews wrongly thought the Messiah would reign on the earth as a king.On the contrary, you presume that premillenialists do NOT believe that Jesus is reigning now, today. It is implied in your argument.
In fact we DO believe that He IS reigning. But today ONLY CHRISTIANS give Him glory and honor due him. He reigns in our hearts....beloved and recognized ONLY by those whom He has redeemed.
Jesus IS NOT recognized or glorified by the world....as of yet.
Verse 13 & 26 are both speaking of His being raised from the dead
No, vv.13,26 "raise" are speaking of the same "raise" in v.22 "raise up UNTO YOU of your brethren, like unto me [Moses; i.e. a PROPHET (Deut34:10)]; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say UNTO YOU"
(recall, Peter is ADDRESSING "ye men of Israel," per v.12,
and where v.15 says OF THEM "[whom] YE delivered up, and denied him... and killed..."
and where v.19 says OF THEM "Repent YE, and be converted..."
and where v.26 says OF THEM "Unto YOU FIRST God, having raised up His SERVANT Jesus [that is, "raised up" to a position of prominence AS a "PROPHET"... like unto Moses... in Jesus' earthly ministry BEFORE His death!], SENT him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.")
[recall what Jesus said in Matthew 15:24 (key to the above ^ ), "But he answered and said, I am not SENT but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."]
The Jews wrongly thought the Messiah would reign on the earth as a king.Presumption is not a strawman argument. Additionally, A king reigns once--Christ's kingdom is not an earthly kingdom, but a spiritual one. The Jews wrongly thought the Messiah would reign on the earth as a king.