How old is our creation really?

[Corban]

Hey... I appreciate your feedback. I do tend to ask very focused questions; I would rather ask someone what they believe than tell them what their statements say about their beliefs. Most people don't like being told what they believe!

My intent is not to attack, or even trap, but to bring to light. However, I have been told many times that I should have been a lawyer.

As to "other wise we would see them today", I would encourage you to do some more research, both on recent (AD era) evidence of dinosaurs and of the flood. ICR and Answers in Genesis both have reams of evidence available on their web sites.

Yeah. More research is always good, but if the Lord meant it to be hid, I'm not going to gain anything that would edify my brothers. It is a fascinating subject, but it just seems to hit a wall from Genesis 9. Its like the dead. God has erected a wall. We know a little, but even Paul, who was raptured to Paradise, was not allowed to say anything. Under Moses necromancing meant the death penalty. Trying to uncover what God has covered might be a good exercise, but I doubt if it would go very far. that is why I admit, more than once, that I would not be adamant about these things - although I have my opinions.

 

[bojack]

Interesting thought, however I don't think I am comfortable with that point of view, form a Scriptural perspective.

v,27 Says God created man - singular. This man had the image of God in some way. God also created the sexes, male and female. The language is still singular, until the last "them" because now their are two and God does not want one to think that an individual is both male and female. V.28, this thought continues - just two.

I do find the word "replenish" interesting, since it carries the idea of the earth, at one time, may have had something akin to man on it. Just a thought.

If you notice what the word ''replenish'' meant and how it was used when the KJB was written simply meant to fill, not refill .. Today it refers to re-do or re-fill, but not then ..

I don't dis-agree too much because of consensus but God created man kind on the 6th day of created physical existence at the beginning of time ..
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

.. But also created/formed one man out of the dust of the earth ,the one man named Adam was placed in a specific prepared garden of eden, but he didn't find a suitable help mate plus he was given a job in the garden with the first law to not eat fruit of the tree of knowledge also in the garden.. God created the man Adam a perfect female helpmate from flesh of his own flesh and bone of his own bone and called her Eve .. Did I mention she was perfect for the man Adam ..

 

[bojack]

I must admit ignorance here. Everything I would say is just theory. As I said in an earlier posting, 1st Peter 3:20-21 indicates that the flood "saved" the eight in that the past and its pollutions were not to be found. That is, they happened but could not be detected. If I follow the example of the New Earth, the inspired record says that "former things are passed away" and "ALL things are new" (Rev.21:4-5). The Greek word rendered "new" means "Renewed", or, "made pristine". I believe that Adam had no evidence of the world before Genesis 1:2, and that Noah's grandchildren would also have had only verbal accounts from their parents. To me, the large creatures whose fossils we view, are more proof of the flood than what happened before the flood.

As to large reptile-like references, I would venture, but not be adamant, that Satan does not let us forget him. He is a serpent in Eden and a Great Dragon 6,000 years later in Revelation. In Ezekiel Chapter 8, some 2,000 years before Marco Polo, the Jews had engraved serpents on the walls under the Temple. Maybe all cultures somehow refer back to the Serpent.

Dr Mary Schwitzer has videos of soft dino tissue and soft tissue has been found since the 60's but downplayed .. Post 67 at about 40 min of the video has it on video under a microscope and the scientists still claim it has to be 63 million yrs old .. Bwahahaha.. There is a recording of radio host Bob Enyart offering Jack Horner (Mary's boss) to pay thousands to pay for a carbon dating test on the soft tissue which is hilarious listening to Horner explain why he can't do the test .. At one point Horner asks ''do you realize what the creationists could do with that information'' ? And carbon dating isn't even reliable to begin with ..

 

[Truth7t7]

While our particular version of creation is not very old, God is eternal. So I don't thing God was taking a long nap doing nothing for eternity passed.
I'm sure He has been creating and recreating for eternity. The Bible gives the history of creation as it pertains to us. It's very possible that God has used and reused this matter for millions of years.

You can have all the thoughts you desire, however they aren't found in God's words to man.

Many cults have been built upon this very principle, Mormonism being a prime example below?

1. New Jerusalem will be in Missouri?
2. Jesus preached to the inhabitants of the America's?

 

[Truth7t7]

I must admit ignorance here. Everything I would say is just theory. As I said in an earlier posting, 1st Peter 3:20-21 indicates that the flood "saved" the eight in that the past and its pollutions were not to be found. That is, they happened but could not be detected. If I follow the example of the New Earth, the inspired record says that "former things are passed away" and "ALL things are new" (Rev.21:4-5). The Greek word rendered "new" means "Renewed", or, "made pristine". I believe that Adam had no evidence of the world before Genesis 1:2, and that Noah's grandchildren would also have had only verbal accounts from their parents. To me, the large creatures whose fossils we view, are more proof of the flood than what happened before the flood.

As to large reptile-like references, I would venture, but not be adamant, that Satan does not let us forget him. He is a serpent in Eden and a Great Dragon 6,000 years later in Revelation. In Ezekiel Chapter 8, some 2,000 years before Marco Polo, the Jews had engraved serpents on the walls under the Temple. Maybe all cultures somehow refer back to the Serpent.

You speak of the (New Earth) and in the same breath use the word (Renewed)?

God's words speak (Clearly) on how this existing earth will pass away, as 2 Peter 3:10-13 below clearly teaches the existing heavens and earth will be (Dissolved) by the Lord's fire in final judgement.

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved) By Fire!

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[49]

Interesting thought, however I don't think I am comfortable with that point of view, form a Scriptural perspective.

v,27 Says God created man - singular. This man had the image of God in some way. God also created the sexes, male and female. The language is still singular, until the last "them" because now their are two and God does not want one to think that an individual is both male and female. V.28, this thought continues - just two.

I do find the word "replenish" interesting, since it carries the idea of the earth, at one time, may have had something akin to man on it. Just a thought.

Do agree here. Had entertained the thought of others being created as well. What discouraged that is later genealogy, such as Genesis 5.

 

[bojack]

Do agree here. Had entertained the thought of others being created as well. What discouraged that is later genealogy, such as Genesis 5.

What do you tell skeptical Atheist folks when they say .. ''Then who did Cain marry , his mother or sister'' ? Not sure I buy that myself .. Or where did the races come from in such a short time ? Every person, animal, genetic possibility we see today come off the Ark .. And who was vagabond Cain afraid might kill him ? And some people think sons of God are Seths line intermarrying with other created humans and some believe fallen angels were called sons of God marrying/mating with human women ... IMO Adam and Eve already knew some of their human neighbors outside their garden ..

 

[Fundamental]

I must admit ignorance here. Everything I would say is just theory. As I said in an earlier posting, 1st Peter 3:20-21 indicates that the flood "saved" the eight in that the past and its pollutions were not to be found. That is, they happened but could not be detected. If I follow the example of the New Earth, the inspired record says that "former things are passed away" and "ALL things are new" (Rev.21:4-5). The Greek word rendered "new" means "Renewed", or, "made pristine". I believe that Adam had no evidence of the world before Genesis 1:2, and that Noah's grandchildren would also have had only verbal accounts from their parents. To me, the large creatures whose fossils we view, are more proof of the flood than what happened before the flood.

As to large reptile-like references, I would venture, but not be adamant, that Satan does not let us forget him. He is a serpent in Eden and a Great Dragon 6,000 years later in Revelation. In Ezekiel Chapter 8, some 2,000 years before Marco Polo, the Jews had engraved serpents on the walls under the Temple. Maybe all cultures somehow refer back to the Serpent.

Jews were Egyptian slaves and Egyptians practiced snake worship. Pharoas had a snake on their “crown”. Not sure what the correct word for that is lol.

 

[Corban]

You speak of the (New Earth) and in the same breath use the word (Renewed)?

God's words speak (Clearly) on how this existing earth will pass away, as 2 Peter 3:10-13 below clearly teaches the existing heavens and earth will be (Dissolved) by the Lord's fire in final judgement.

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved) By Fire!

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

No. The earth is purged as a "garment". A garment in parable is "works" (Ps.73:6, Rev.19:8, etc.). The earth is made to remain forever (Psalm 78:69, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 119:90; 1st Chronicles 16:30). Just the surface history of evil and rebellion will vanish (Psalm 102:25-26; Hebrews 1:10-12). The Lord's meaning is made evident in Genesis 6:13;

"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

But He did not annihilate the substance of the earth. And so we see in 2nd Peter 3:5-7 were the earth is called "the earth that THEN WAS", but it was the same earth:

5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

 

[Truth7t7]

No. The earth is purged as a "garment". A garment in parable is "works" (Ps.73:6, Rev.19:8, etc.). The earth is made to remain forever (Psalm 78:69, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 119:90; 1st Chronicles 16:30). Just the surface history of evil and rebellion will vanish (Psalm 102:25-26; Hebrews 1:10-12). The Lord's meaning is made evident in Genesis 6:13;

"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

But He did not annihilate the substance of the earth. And so we see in 2nd Peter 3:5-7 were the earth is called "the earth that THEN WAS", but it was the same earth:

5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

We Will Strongly Disagree!

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will (Pass Away)

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Earth Is (Removed)

Isaiah 24:20KJV
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved) By Fire!

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Darvid]

While the Bible is known to make gigantic leaps in time without specific details. It seems at first sight Abraham was born about 2000 years after Adam. This would show us a young creation according to our Bible.

Yet science had me almost convinced our earth is billions of years old. But knowing they lie and mock anyone raising serious questions I denounced science when it comes to our origins. I was really devoted in my studies but all I found was slander, corruptions, half truths to sell a full lie...

Yet my own mind raised a serious question last night: If our God is infinite, why would He only start creating roughly 6000 to 10000 years ago?

Maybe I should rewatch my beliefs on this and only see human life as a young creation? Any insight in this is very welcomed.

I believe in a young esrth creation aa the bible implies this.in the book of revelation when God dissolves the heavens and the earth and creates a new heaven and earth it won't take billions of years to do but will be instant.in a twinkling of a eye.sdam wad born in.a day. But innappearance he looked like a young man.

 

[bojack]

I believe in a young esrth creation aa the bible implies this.in the book of revelation when God dissolves the heavens and the earth and creates a new heaven and earth it won't take billions of years to do but will be instant.in a twinkling of a eye.sdam wad born in.a day. But innappearance he looked like a young man.

Agree, as quickly as He created the physical heavens and the earth, He will just as quickly close up shop ..

 

[Corban]

We Will Strongly Disagree!

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will (Pass Away)

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Earth Is (Removed)

Isaiah 24:20KJV
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved) By Fire!

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I suggest this. First you deal with my scriptures because we cannot pit scripture against scripture. We have to reconcile them. Next, take your Strong's and write down the meaning of each contentious word. I'll start with "dissolved". Here is verbatim what Vine says;

Usage Notes: "to loosen," especially by way of deliverance, sometimes has the meaning of "breaking, destructively," e.g., of "breaking" commandments, not only infringing them, but loosing the force of them, rendering them not binding"
(Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words).

You can at once see that "dissolved" does not mean annihilated. Rather it means "delivering", "loosening" and/or "rendering not binding".

Now, why don't you give me the meaning of "pass away" in verse 10. It is a compound word, the second part which is the same word as the "arrival" of the Lord on earth when He comes again.

Or, just do it by yourself - and we'll meet again on some other thread.

Go well bro.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe in a young esrth creation aa the bible implies this.in the book of revelation when God dissolves the heavens and the earth and creates a new heaven and earth it won't take billions of years to do but will be instant.in a twinkling of a eye.sdam wad born in.a day. But innappearance he looked like a young man.

I agree 100%

When Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation

(In The Twinkling Of An Eye)

Everything takes place, the resurrection of all, the catching up, the final judgement, the heaven and earth dissolved by fire, Judgmentnt complete, eternity begins in the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem.

 

[Blade]

Man? 6000y old. The earth? Can be MUCH older.. or the same. I never put my faith in what man says. Well man tells me whats IN the sun.. whats IN the earth whats IN Saturn, Mars on and on.

Take the earth, so far we have only went down 7.5 miles and that took 20 years. If your say 70 then.. you slept those 20years lol. So they say to the center is 3975miles something like that and yet man tells us everything thats in the earth.

 

[bojack]

I suggest this. First you deal with my scriptures because we cannot pit scripture against scripture. We have to reconcile them. Next, take your Strong's and write down the meaning of each contentious word. I'll start with "dissolved". Here is verbatim what Vine says;

Usage Notes: "to loosen," especially by way of deliverance, sometimes has the meaning of "breaking, destructively," e.g., of "breaking" commandments, not only infringing them, but loosing the force of them, rendering them not binding"
(Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words).

You can at once see that "dissolved" does not mean annihilated. Rather it means "delivering", "loosening" and/or "rendering not binding".

Now, why don't you give me the meaning of "pass away" in verse 10. It is a compound word, the second part which is the same word as the "arrival" of the Lord on earth when He comes again.

Or, just do it by yourself - and we'll meet again on some other thread.

Go well bro.

Not sure what you're saying but God created ''stretches out the heavens like a tent'' which means they could still be stretching out and at the end He will roll them up like a scroll .. I'm done with my body, triple heart surgery, broke bones, stroke to the left side of my brain and right side blindness, now above 80% heart failure, And my lungs are shot 57% 25 yrs ago and on oxygen the last 8 .. I was healed of a 20 ton swing agitator near pulling my left leg off (worse back and leg pain ever) ,the nite it happened and never missed a days work contrary to all the dr's .. Neck disk had to be injected with fluid and partial numbness in my right shoulder arm and hand , scars from molten plastic injector blowing up with a dr telling me 6 yrs ago to get my affairs in order ''now'' , I told her to never say that to me again because I don't and refuse to ever think like that .. My point is that I'm done with this body and I expect one that I can't wear out next time so easy so it will have to be spiritual transformed materiel not just dust and ashes anymore same as our new home with the Lord.. I'm sure you feel the same way .. I used to have a photographic memory but now I can't remember where the light switches are on the wall without stopping to think , lolol and my old ford truck has a flat tire for 2 weeks I'm going to have to fix one day, probably take all day, lol again ..

 

[Fundamental]

I believe in a young esrth creation aa the bible implies this.in the book of revelation when God dissolves the heavens and the earth and creates a new heaven and earth it won't take billions of years to do but will be instant.in a twinkling of a eye.sdam wad born in.a day. But innappearance he looked like a young man.

Moses wrote down Genesis and was born 1391 years BCE. We start out with few pages explaining our earth and universe but are directly forwarded into the fall leading up to civilization today and its coming Armageddon.
There was much left behind before Moses’ age that fill up a lot more pages. Looking at this through cultures divided by seas we find many similarities. A worldwide flood with a man saving all mankind was also known to ancient cultures on the American continent.
Yet Noach was down all the way in the east. When Europeans found these tribes in America and their temples, these tribes could not explain where these buildings came from. Only that they were always there.
Maybe there was no sea as we know now to divide them back them? Prior to the flood I mean.

These lost civilizations were obsessed by space as we are today. They did their predictions and mapped out the skies as we do now with radartechnology and telescopes. Maybe the piramids and the temples had a similair purpose then our skytechnologies today. Mercury was found in temples on ancient sites on the American continent. This could light up something we do not understand today. But I bet it has something to do with space, it was built in relation to constallations in mathematical precision. Hard to ignore this.

What if they were wiped out in an instant by a flood? And indeed all this takes only one generation. When fallen angels start educating people in alchemy/chemistry and the unholy trinity starts revelaing itself through our tech, we get to our current world of wars, corruptions, instable weather through geo engineering.

These civilizations before us got outsmarted by God too once and nobody can explain where they went or what it was they were doing to get to such an advanced city and temple.
We, the entire west is such a Babylon heading for a mass extinction too. This war for the human soul is a real “agenda” between good and evil.
This is way above our head but started out somewhere roughly 6000 years ago.

 

[laughingheart]

I believe that God does not reveal everything that is or was but that he does reveal what we need to know in order to have a relationship with Him.
As for the age of creation I truly do not know. I know that Cain, when confronted by God for the killing of Cain's brother said,"...I will be a restless wanderer on the earth and whoever finds me will kill me." ...."Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him." After that they say he went to Nod and then mentioned Cain laying with his wife.
We can see that the timelines as we understand them have some gaps. Where did the people come from? Who was his wife and where did she come from? There must have been people in Nod.
I mention this to say that being able to explain all the early timeline would hardly be possible, as we were not given the telling of the events in a way that allows us such precision.

 

[bojack]

Moses wrote down Genesis and was born 1391 years BCE. We start out with few pages explaining our earth and universe but are directly forwarded into the fall leading up to civilization today and its coming Armageddon.
There was much left behind before Moses’ age that fill up a lot more pages. Looking at this through cultures divided by seas we find many similarities. A worldwide flood with a man saving all mankind was also known to ancient cultures on the American continent.
Yet Noach was down all the way in the east. When Europeans found these tribes in America and their temples, these tribes could not explain where these buildings came from. Only that they were always there.
Maybe there was no sea as we know now to divide them back them? Prior to the flood I mean.

These lost civilizations were obsessed by space as we are today. They did their predictions and mapped out the skies as we do now with radartechnology and telescopes. Maybe the piramids and the temples had a similair purpose then our skytechnologies today. Mercury was found in temples on ancient sites on the American continent. This could light up something we do not understand today. But I bet it has something to do with space, it was built in relation to constallations in mathematical precision. Hard to ignore this.

What if they were wiped out in an instant by a flood? And indeed all this takes only one generation. When fallen angels start educating people in alchemy/chemistry and the unholy trinity starts revelaing itself through our tech, we get to our current world of wars, corruptions, instable weather through geo engineering.

These civilizations before us got outsmarted by God too once and nobody can explain where they went or what it was they were doing to get to such an advanced city and temple.
We, the entire west is such a Babylon heading for a mass extinction too. This war for the human soul is a real “agenda” between good and evil.
This is way above our head but started out somewhere roughly 6000 years ago.

There's a whole bunch of info in Genesis 1 if you don't close any doors and take it as written .. For me if you just believe it then you can learn something new all the time .. I always think, or ask Do you think Jesus believed the Bible as written ?

 

[bojack]

I believe that God does not reveal everything that is or was but that he does reveal what we need to know in order to have a relationship with Him.
As for the age of creation I truly do not know. I know that Cain, when confronted by God for the killing of Cain's brother said,"...I will be a restless wanderer on the earth and whoever finds me will kill me." ...."Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him." After that they say he went to Nod and then mentioned Cain laying with his wife.
We can see that the timelines as we understand them have some gaps. Where did the people come from? Who was his wife and where did she come from? There must have been people in Nod.
I mention this to say that being able to explain all the early timeline would hardly be possible, as we were not given the telling of the events in a way that allows us such precision.

As long as we don't go outside what is written , it's like your kids telling them ''you can play anywhere in the yard but don't go out of the yard'' There's plenty to keep them busy in the yard .. That's why I have a problem with gap theories