How do you get saved?
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Not really.
God gave me his holy spirit after I asked.I didn't deserve it .I was the most unjust person you could meet.But he caused it to rain upon me nonetheless.
Mathew 5
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
I read the bible and see I'm not alone though.I read about how Saul wanted to kill all of Jesus disciples.There is no one on this board who would say Saul was being obedient before Christ chose him to be an apostle.Paul.had no works at that time to brag about other than holding people's coats.
Acts 22:20
And when the blood of your martyr Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.’
You believe Paul was being obedient before he was saved?
lol,
Trying to pit water baptism as the same as in faiht looking to the serpent is like trying to pit showing up to recieve a gift. Vs working hard for 80 hours that week to earn a wage.
Funny how the word water baptise is no where to be found in John 3: 14 - 18. Where jesus tells us how to be born again. By in faith looking to the cross, as they looked to the serpent. Whoever does will NEVER perish and have ETERNAL LIFE..
as for faith and works. paul answers this question quite precisely
In romans 4, He tells us if we try to work for it. It can not be counted as a grace gift. But as debt
Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began
The fact they are still alive and able to make a decision to trust Christ shows Grace is still extended to them.
James did not contradict paul.
It was extended to everyone, Not everyone received in faith what was offered.
Jesus said only one thing is required. trust me, Look at me.
Saying I must work to earn salvation is not biblical truth, in any age.
Not by works of obedience, righteousness, which we have done, but by his mercy, He saved us
1. Its not by our good deeds
2. its not because we earned it
3. It is based on Gods mercy - which he offers through grace through the work of his son.
4. He saved us, a completed action.
there is no honest debate when people are adding their self righteous deeds to the gospel..
Personal claims of holy spirit experiences does not negate scripture.
And this is exactly what you are doing.
Saul was just as lost as the rest of mankind. If he had disobeyed he would have stayed lost.
This should be easy to see.
What works did Paul perform to receive the holy Ghost?
Did he do a cartwheel ?
What does the Bible say he did to receive the holy Ghost?
It seems you are implying that God extends His Grace to both the obedient and disobedient.
The disobedient are lost regardless of the time God gives them to obey.
Stop fighting the obvious to protect your theology.
Was Paul disobeying or obeying when he searched for the discuples of Christ to kill them all?
Phil. 2:8
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
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Does it matter?
Is obedience in general not needed?
We may debate what is needed to obey but not the need to obey.
He does. If he did not. the disobedient could never repent and come to faith
Yes, They are lost because of unbelief
I could say the same to you.
Yes,
Jesus did this, This is his work to save you
will you recieve this work of Christ in faith.
Or try to earn it yourself?
Yes, It matters a great deal.
what is obeying. Obey what?
Are we told what we do to overcome the world?
Does it say what we do to be adopted as Gods child?
Obedience is not required to receive the holy spirit.Belief is.
Paul believed the moment Jesus spoke to him and asked him why he was persecuting him.
Paul had no works and was not obedient before he received the holy spirit.He received the holy Ghost because he was chosen.Not because he was a great guy nor because he was doing what he supposed to because he wasn't.
Acts 9
10 There was a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. And the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias!”
“Here I am, Lord!” he said.
11 “Get up and go to the street called Straight,” the Lord said to him, “to the house of Judas, and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, since he is praying there. 12 In a vision[a] he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and placing his hands on him so he can regain his sight.”
13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard from many people about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And he has authority here from the chief priests to arrest all who call on Your name.”
15 But the Lord said to him, “Go! For this man is My chosen instrument to take My name to Gentiles, kings, and the Israelites. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for My name!”
The disobedient do not repent hence the label "disobedient".
Jesus was obedient because of what He did, not what He believed. He and the Father are one.
The disobedient are lost because of their unrepentance.
Luke 13:3-5
King James Version
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
The above verses are not calls for belief but a call for action.