Help me understand Biblically what went wrong..

[GWH]

It was an exception and not a rule. It was my first 7 day fast. I don’t think that a measure of set apart devotional time was the problem in and of itself, but I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

Okay, and I see you saw post #17.

My approach to solving such issues is comparable to the checklist for stopping a baby from crying:

1. Hungry? Got milk?
2. Colic, so needing to be patted on back?
3. Cranky from needing nap?
4. Wet or worse?
5. Needing play time?
6. etcetera.

There has got to be some explanation/solution.

 

[Ceph]

I believe I was born again yet I always walked with a limp in the areas regarding security because I wrestled hard for years with blasphemous thoughts after accepting Jesus. It came on me all at once when I started reading my Bible. When I accepted Him it was like I could see and feel the creation worshipping Him for a while. It was like every color got brighter.

I was feeling like something was wrong from the beginning of this experience, but I just prayed and moved forward hoping that God would protect me.

I do see how compromised in faith I am now in my heart and it hurts really. I had demonic manifestations in me when people would pray over me and these rejoicing voices told me I was theirs now, that it was too late, that I am dead (spirituality speaking). It’s hard to stand on the truth of the Word when all my experiences are now CONTRARY to my understanding of what the enemy can do to a Christian.

Still clinging on to the Word tho. My heart just doesn’t seem to match my mind.

If you're theirs, how come you haven't wanted to sin?
Their voice sounds like a losers cope.

 

[Ceph]

Maybe just remember the commandments are all God requires of you.
If you have no other God than him,
If you don't worship idols,
If you don't misuse his Name,
If you keep the endless rest in mind,
And if you don't murder,
And don't commit adultery,
And if you don't steal,
nor desire to covet anyone elses things,
And if you don't give false testimony,
And if you honor the Word and Zion it brings you,
Then love Incomprehensible with all your might, and love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Dino246]

Hi all. I joined this forum recently in search of understanding of what happened to me and if it can be remedied. I tend to get long winded when I try to type this out so I will try my best to keep my statements concise as I can

I fell from a solid Biblical walk into mysticism, trusting experiences and adding to God’s Words. It was a gradual process filled with much rationalizing of my actions. The entire thing seemed from my end like a pursuit of God. The results have been horrific and near unbelievable.

It began after fasting and praying for 7 days. I began having “experiences” for the first time in my Christian walk. I began hearing a voice. The voice would convince me to read certain portions of scripture over and over. Eventually I would have an “experience” where I was “shown” an allegory in those scriptures. This happened 4 times in separate portions of scripture. What was conveyed in those allegories was supposedly a solution for the very old debate concerning freewill/God’s sovereignty. This would continue with many accompanying experiences that had me believing this was truly of God. By the time It became apparent that this was not of God I was already compromised.

I now hear voices continuously, wake up every night having terrifying “spiritual experiences”, my peace has been replaced with fear and am filled internally with confusion. It’s now been 2+ yrs since this began. I have begun believing that I am damned. It seems nothing is able to remedy the problem.

I am simply trying to get back to a right walk with God, but everything is off inside of me now. Is this some sort of stronghold? Am I in a trail? Did I lose my salvation? Was I tricked into adding to God’s Word by seeking experiential interpretation?

Please help me assess this Biblically. Thanks.

Welcome to CC!

Having read your posts in this thread, I would strongly recommend that you obtain and read John Eldredge's Walking with God. He chronicles a year of his own life and the experiences through which God led and taught him. He discusses the doors that get opened in our lives through sin, witchcraft, and trauma, and how to close them. It sounds to me like you have some doors that remain open and the enemy has been exploiting them. Remember: God is good, while the enemy is evil. God has forgiven your sin, but He will reveal the details only if you seek Him persistently.

 

[tablet123]

Hi all. I joined this forum recently in search of understanding of what happened to me and if it can be remedied. I tend to get long winded when I try to type this out so I will try my best to keep my statements concise as I can

I fell from a solid Biblical walk into mysticism, trusting experiences and adding to God’s Words. It was a gradual process filled with much rationalizing of my actions. The entire thing seemed from my end like a pursuit of God. The results have been horrific and near unbelievable.

It began after fasting and praying for 7 days. I began having “experiences” for the first time in my Christian walk. I began hearing a voice. The voice would convince me to read certain portions of scripture over and over. Eventually I would have an “experience” where I was “shown” an allegory in those scriptures. This happened 4 times in separate portions of scripture. What was conveyed in those allegories was supposedly a solution for the very old debate concerning freewill/God’s sovereignty. This would continue with many accompanying experiences that had me believing this was truly of God. By the time It became apparent that this was not of God I was already compromised.

I now hear voices continuously, wake up every night having terrifying “spiritual experiences”, my peace has been replaced with fear and am filled internally with confusion. It’s now been 2+ yrs since this began. I have begun believing that I am damned. It seems nothing is able to remedy the problem.

I am simply trying to get back to a right walk with God, but everything is off inside of me now. Is this some sort of stronghold? Am I in a trail? Did I lose my salvation? Was I tricked into adding to God’s Word by seeking experiential interpretation?

Please help me assess this Biblically. Thanks.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

Do not follow the deception of a mystical, occult interpretation of the Bible which will increase in popularity that will deceive the world, and cause them to establish that in the world and stopping the truth from being preached which causes God to end sin on earth.

You might have evil spirits messing with you or you stressed out your mind.

The devil cannot read our thoughts like we cannot read phone waves, radio waves, and the such with our minds, but he can see our actions and tempt in that area.

It will be alright if you repent and want nothing to do with that stuff.

The Bible says God gives us power, love, and a sound mind, and resist the devil and he will flee from you.

If you allow the Spirit to lead you and hate sin you can abstain from sin and be delivered from temptation and will have peace, love, and joy, and put you in the right mindset.

I think you might have stressed out your mind during this ordeal and a stressed out mind will have thoughts that are more intense, and more hard to control, and thoughts that repeat, which a person that has OCD they say has stress.

You might be worried too much going over it and is keeping you in a stressed out state.

Which how is a person to be healed if they are doing it to themselves.

Relax and let it go if you are worrying about it.

If you keep going over the same thoughts worrying about it it is like lifting weights where if you lift it enough times your muscles will get stressed where you cannot lift it anymore.

It can happen if you are not stressed and go over something and get to the point where you cannot understand it any further but you want to keep pursuing it thinking there might be more and then get stressed out.

I try to understand until no more ideas come up and then stop and leave it alone and pursue it like 2 days later if I want.

Do not try to understand it going over it for you will boggle your mind.

Which there is nothing to understand it is what you did and it is over so let it go and let your mind relax.

I do not know but it seems like that is what it is.

You threw your mind off balance which I think is your fault for not dealing with it right.

We would not analyze stealing something for it is simple we stole something so let it go.

You probably have shame and guilt hindering your mental well being but you need to let it go for it is over.

You realized your mistake and want to be right with God and it is a sin like all sins and it is over.

I believe it is stress and if you have stressed out your mind a lot thoughts can pop up a lot and be intense and since you had this ordeal those thoughts could be popping up.

Which seems like from worrying about that you do not want it.

Because that can happen if we worry too much about thoughts coming up that we don't want they can come up.

Why, because we are always wondering if they will come up causing us to think about it and we are beating up our heads to not want to think about it and are stressing ourselves out which the thoughts will come up.

And if they come up it is no big deal for it is something you did and you do not want it anymore.

If I steal and do not want it I am not going to beat my head up because I do not want it to pop up for that makes it worse.

Then it would hinder your mind from thinking somewhat as you try to stifle it hindering other thoughts from being clear.

Also there is no difference between me having thoughts about scraping my knee, playing baseball, stealing a pair of pants, for they are things I did so they will pop up.

Do not be scared about the thoughts making it worse and relax and keep your mind thinking about other things and eventually you will not notice those thoughts because they are not popping up and if they do they are less intense and not out of control.

 

[JohnDB]

Okay, and I see you saw post #17.

My approach to solving such issues is comparable to the checklist for stopping a baby from crying:

1. Hungry? Got milk?
2. Colic, so needing to be patted on back?
3. Cranky from needing nap?
4. Wet or worse?
5. Needing play time?
6. etcetera.

There has got to be some explanation/solution.

Might be time to seek a mental health specialist....just to get checked out by a human in person.
On the internet....its only one sided. We cant see things that might not be getting related that OP thinks are perfectly normal and fine that are huge red flags to a professional.

 

[GWH]

Thanks I am ahead of you. Im at the gym 2 days a week. Hiking, walking, repelling, kayaking, camping, and swimming. Lots of activity.

Okay, consider this regarding how to counsel oneself and see if any are helpful/applicable:

Ask:

1. What is happening? (I am getting… upset, angry, sad, bored, etc.)
2. Why am I feeling this way? (Because of what someone said or did, because of inactivity, because of being tired or hungry, etc.)
3. How can I cope with my feelings or resolve this situation in a good way? (By taking a nap, by exercising, by eating, by talking with a caring person, etc.)
4. How can I take responsibility for my happiness? (By thinking of fun things to do, by listening to pleasant music, by watching clean shows, by going to a church with a nice youth group, by reading an interesting book, by seeking new friendships, etc.).
5. How can I cope with negative thoughts, events and people? (By doing the following

a. Accentuate the positive while eliminating the negative (cf. Bing Crosby song).
b. Make a reasonable effort, so you have no reason to be ashamed of not trying, but do not try to be perfect or to work miracles.
c. Live one day at a time, letting painful memories fade while making good memories today and not worrying about what might happen tomorrow (cf. Joe Walsh song).
d. Pray the Serenity Prayer: “Lord grant me the courage to change the things I can, the patience and strength to endure the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to discern the difference.”
e. Work on what seems to be a big forest of problems by cutting down one tree at a time.
f. Count your blessings, compared with poor kids starving around the world, who would love to be in your shoes.
g. Realize that many people (and God) care about you and are willing to help, if you ask them.
h. Listen to music that makes you happy and supports positive thoughts and moral values.
i. Learn from mistakes, preferably those made by others (including parents), so you will not repeat them and thus will have a happier life.
j. When negative events occur, counsel yourself as above.
k. When people mistreat you, consider counseling them by saying, “I know I do not deserve this, so would you like to share what is really bothering you?
l. Adopt as a motto: “Love to learn, and learn to love.”

 

[88Case88]

Welcome to CC!

Having read your posts in this thread, I would strongly recommend that you obtain and read John Eldredge's Walking with God. He chronicles a year of his own life and the experiences through which God led and taught him. He discusses the doors that get opened in our lives through sin, witchcraft, and trauma, and how to close them. It sounds to me like you have some doors that remain open and the enemy has been exploiting them. Remember: God is good, while the enemy is evil. God has forgiven your sin, but He will reveal the details only if you seek Him persistently.

I will try to look into it. Thx