A contradiction of Mark 16:16?
No..
(Mar 16:16) KJV: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Notice the later part of this verse. Being damned is conditioned on not believing. Not on 'not getting water baptised'
Often we can put a verse into it's opposite and think it is true. For eg.. 'He that believeth and is not baptised shall not be saved.'
The problem is.. this is false logic. Not everything put in opposite of a positive statement is true. Just compare Mark 16:16 with John 5:24, 6:40, 10:28, Romans 10:9-10. Where is the weight of scripture? What is it saying? Do you establish a doctrine of water baptism for salvation based on a few verses.. or the full weight of scripture?
Same goes for Acts 2:38
Act 2:38 KJV: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This is ONE verse of a few that have baptism being put with remission (forgiveness) of sin.
Key question: Who is Peter talking to?
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
What were they called to do first? Get water baptised?
No-- repent.. having a change of mind, heart from God.
The other part of this..is being baptised in the name of Jesus 'for' the remission of sin.
In English grammar.. you can be given something 'for' an illness.
So.. you get water baptism 'for' the fact of already having remission of sin. Now.. so you will say I am just interpreting this to match my own wishes.. but what does the full weight of scripture say about eternal salvation? How many verses.. again.. have not water baptism in them.. but are about receiving eternal life?
How many verses.. again.. have not water baptism in them.. but are about receiving eternal life?
that’s like saying ignore the verses about baptism throughout scripture teaching us how it relates to remission of sins in Jesus name through his death burial and resurrection and then water won’t be a part of baptism …..ignore the ingredient of sugar and then you don’t need sugar because the other ingredients don’t mention sugar …..
Many points of Paul’s epistles especially are speaking to those who have been baptized for remission of sins like this
“Know ye not, that
so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are
buried with him by baptism into death
this is why a believer is buried beneath the water in his name who was buried for us ) that
like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even
so we also should walk in newness of life.( this is why we are raised back up from the water burial in his name who was raised for our justification )
For
if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. ( again we’re partaking of his death and burial for our sins )
Likewise
reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”( we get baptized in his name based on our belief of what the gospel says he did for us it’s an act of faith )
Romans 6:3-7, 11 KJV
When Jesus was raised up out of the water being baptized Gods voice said “this is my son in him I am well pleased “ when we come up from being baptized into his death and burial we also hear the same through faith hearing and believing
“For
ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And
if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29
Or like this
“in whom also
ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh
by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. ( same thing Roman’s 6 is teaching bout baptism ) And
you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”( remission of sins through the body of Christ )
Colossians 2:11-13
“What I’m saying is often he’s talking
specifically to those who have been baptized b saying “ as many of you who have been baptized “ or if you have been planted together in the likeness of his death “ of those of us who were baptized ect
So if someone knowingly and willingly hasn’t been baptized should they include themselves in the group there ?
