no, haven't suffered any of that. those are some major problems. a very serious plan of correction needs to be performed immediately.
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the below is the reason I say Atonement is no more, there is no more yearly sacrifice to take away anymore sins. In Son that it is done and I see you do agree with it is Done
Now we are searching out that word Atonement
New International Version
hebrews 10:1-4
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 The law is only a shadow(A) of the good things(B) that are coming—not the realities themselves.(C) For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect(D) those who draw near to worship.(E) 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.(F) 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.(G) 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats(H) to take away sins.(I)
Authorized (King James) Version
Hebrews 10:1-4
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
John 1:29 Jesus came to take out sin once for us all, seeing that in Hebrews 10:10 and in John 19:30, it is finished for us to have mercy over sacrifices as in compassion one to the other
Thank you for having that and I am rested in truth too, thank you
free not kore living like a refugee to emfrom God to me I see to rest as in Hebrews 4 tells me to rest
Encouragement need no more condemnation as said in Romans 8 to me, thanks as we each grow new in love and mercy given us first by God in risen Son for us to rest in
which is not easy, being in unredeemed flesh and blood here in this world of rewards and punishments
Father I see disciplines and does not punish us as flesh does.
I have never gotten pulled over while driving by a police officer and rewarded for driving safely, have you?
Under Law is punishment, in Father and Son as Won for you is discipline to learn from mistakes standing in remaining forgiven by God, knowing we need to learn and is always here for us to learn new and not be angry over anything anymore, as Cane was, and got taken away in the first murder non thought of not being accepted, me, I am learning truth too thank you
It is well for my Soul to know, God justly loves me and everyone else also, even whenever another views that different
As that is what God did for us by Son to us as the perfect one for us to be new in his risen
Life given us to love all and. not condemn anyone anymore, at least I am given this to be at rest in and thankful for no more stress over the mess here in this world we all are in for now.
The risen Son relieves the worry to not worry anymore
seeing. when asked in Matthew 6 Will worry add any moment to your life?
I replied No! as a matter of fact worry, steals, kills and destroys then I saw John 10:10 and saw the thief is worry
Wow, woe is me God revealed that to me and see 1 John 4:18 been in belief ever since, and some how in trust I do not worry over anything anymore and have been homeless as well, not now, yet was, and still praised God no matter what. This is not a work, it is my thankful response to 'God
that's a proper attitude. you are someone who is forward & not in a problem! keep the faith active & wear a smile in appreciation!
“Needless guilt and fear about offending God or committing sin.”
Shouldn’t we feel guilty when we’ve committed sin ? why else would we repent , confess the sin and let the lord cleanse us from it?
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:9-10 KJV
Sin should make us sorrowful and feel guilty because it leads to repentence and mercy
“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
2 Corinthians 7:8-11
complacency in our sin is not a good idea.
“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?”
Romans 6:16 KJV
willful sin is a term used in a certain place when we confess our sins because we feel guilty it’s showing that our sin was sent willful we aren’t okay with it our Will is to change from yielding to sin and serving the flesh unto death and start yielding ourselves to God for purposes of righteousness now that we’ve come to the lord and supposedly been “ reborn “ as new creations
“I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have ( in the past ) yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity;
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.”
Romans 6:19 KJV
We should keep this in mind also regarding our actions what we actually do whether good or bad
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
Some refuse to be pursuaded but without feeling guilty when we’ve sinned we’re acting like God declared “ it’s okay now if you sin no worries you’ll never be held accountable for what you do now “ but that’s not the message
The message and mercy is now we can repent when we fail at living upright now when we feel guilty we have an advocate with God and all we have to do is get real with him start acknolwedging we’re called to live right and then when we sin it’s going to bother us enough to where we start changing things
much of Gods work in us hapoens in our conscience when we feel guilty we need to know to co fees to the lord and we’ll be forgiven and restored.
When a good natured person does something wrong and has sinned they will by thier good nature feel guilt some shame maybe even some sorrow because of thier actions. This leads to humility and apologies and reconciliations ect
but if we just pretend we didn’t do anything wrong or that we shouldn’t feel guilty for the wrong we did there’s nothing to ever change our behavior it’s just a liscense to live like we feel and want and claim we belong to God so it doesn’t matter what we do ….
i wouldn’t say obeying the doctrine the lord and his apostles taught or believing the things get said is obsessive compulsive disorder lol if obeying the lord is interpreted o.c.d. Something “should have taken that right toin back at Albawuoikey”
the entire goal is to bring believers into obedience not teach us oir actions have no consequence and we should never acknolwedge when we’ve sinned or feel guilty that’s sort of the opposite of what the Bible teaches and why the Bible teaches what it does
“For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,”
Romans 15:18 KJV
“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to this gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: to God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
Romans 16:25-27 KJV
Every persons goal should be to walk in obedience to the gospel when we fall short it should bother us enough to go to Jesus with it in prayer knowing he’s full of mercy and ready and willing to forgive us and wash us clean
Thank you, it is not a bed of roses here, I am learned, learning to be content inn all things. learning to not get frustrated by Faith and exercising this Faith trust to Father, and hoping others see this for themselves as well. To get released from having to choosing is a job in itself, learning still in process
Hoping all is well with your soul
Going through troubles, and I still smile, I got that from The Walking Dead, from Ezekiel who quoted that
I look for any gold nuggets in any show, movie, and remember them as I go through my own adversities as well, as all do that too, go through troubles too
I look for any gold nuggets in any show, movie, and remember them as I go through my own adversities as well, as all do that too, go through troubles too
Martin Luther suffered greatly from Religious OCD, returning again and again to the Confessional as he remembered more sins, to the point the parish priest told him to go to a really bad sin and come back. Ignatius of Loyala suffered from same Scrupulosity, the founder of the Jesuits. I think rather than seeing it as some sort of religious spirit or illness, it could be simply prophetic, the prophets often pointed out the corruption and sins of nations and individuals, and often saw themselves lowly, all one has to do is look at Jeremiah and read how he wishes he had never been born.
That said I have experienced Religious OCD in form of making the sign of the cross excessively, or doing a list of "I believe in The Holy Trinity, Holy Scriptures, Jesus is God and Man (Two Natures) and etc," when I was in Holy Land especially. This eventually ceased, but when under duress sometimes I revert to it.
The problem is when it takes your peace away, for Our Lord Jesus Christ said, "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid," (John 14:27) and the Apostle Paul says, "
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:7).
I do find that certain things can aggravate & exasperate the Religious OCD, but before I delve into that I want to make sure if it is alright with staff and this forum to post some of my findings, since they shed light on certain religious practices revered by certain denominations.
That said I have experienced Religious OCD in form of making the sign of the cross excessively, or doing a list of "I believe in The Holy Trinity, Holy Scriptures, Jesus is God and Man (Two Natures) and etc," when I was in Holy Land especially. This eventually ceased, but when under duress sometimes I revert to it.
The problem is when it takes your peace away, for Our Lord Jesus Christ said, "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid," (John 14:27) and the Apostle Paul says, "
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:7).
I do find that certain things can aggravate & exasperate the Religious OCD, but before I delve into that I want to make sure if it is alright with staff and this forum to post some of my findings, since they shed light on certain religious practices revered by certain denominations.
i wish you well soon & that all issues are resolved quickly. bearing & getting thru trials is definitely, 1 of the most difficult dealings in life. very difficult & sometimes, very lengthy. i've been in trials for as much as 7 months! recently, my wife & i enjoyed a 15 day vacation in the Caribbean & God start a trial in me while there!!! i never thought that would happen. anyway, i'm giving myself a score of 9 & a half in how i overcame it. i am surprised on how well i endured it. it took me a while, years, to get to the point of counting it all joy as the book of James says.
please share as I see from this post you care, no more Stigmata thank you and yet can come on you, and anyone as has been going on for a long time now, I see that too, thank you
I see this: Father and Son are working your salvation out in you. To see the truth, It is all daddy in the Holy Spirit that gets you through as you learn new from things happening to you.
As you just said, you were surprised
This being surprised, evil wants you to see to make you proud over getting through it. God wants you to see and be humble in Thanksgiving and praise God getting you through it!
Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling
without seeing the rest of the verses, one thinks "I" got to do it!
Finds out they can't, not perfectly, yet learn to do better and take praise in doing it, thinking they are doing it, when they are not in truth doing it, it is evil pride that seeps in and one becomes better than others in that trying to do it and still sees themselves as not better than others, so they try harder and harder and this rat cycle continues trying to run and stands in the same place as a rat on a wheel does.
Authorized (King James) Version
Phil 2:11-13
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
see it is not us that do it, it is God that did it for us by risen Son to us all, to choose to believe God or not consciously. Now, us that try to do it, come to see they need God to lead, not themselves anymore or anyone else. For us to at least come to the end of self trying to do what no flesh can do, and that is to be perfect, to admit through themselves that no one can but God did, who did it for us all through Jesus for us to do in love and mercy to all, in humility and have no more pride or guilt left in us as religion puts pride in people to control people, these knowing the whole truth will not remove the hammer they use on people. Afraid no one will attend with them in their Church building, that in truth is not built by God (Hebrews 8:1-4)
You know this also, and now thank God for you in God trusting you to not quit as he said that about Job in the book of Job 1. Job will not deny me! said that to Satan. And Satan oh yeah, take away that hedge from him and he will curse you
I see through the entire book of Job, Job would not deny God at all and never did
there in there is a lot of learning. Then I see Jesus went willingly to death, not for just me, for us all as said in 1 John 2:1-2 the propitiation for any and all sin. Then risen where we are given new life to do it without us trying to do it anymore. So, believe, receive and see as God already sees you see and has trust in you to not ever give up, as you have decided this too, thank you
my salvation occurred in 1993 when i confessed Jesus Christ as my Lord & savior. by course, lot's of people are stranded without progress. i have a high level of willpower & i haven't any problems. my trial was actually fun because i treated it right & the devil has no power against me cuz' i won't let him. the devil has no chance of cursing me. i simply won't let him. thanks.
thank you from God to you in not being proud, yet mature in simple belief God loves us all. So clean, to see truth in God loves us all and took all sin out of the way for us to just love, in spite of anything and everything that goes on around us.
Woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7