Gospel Confusion...

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Because you are accusing others of doing what you very well could be doing yourself.


No you share your believe. You share one passage and call it his word. while ignoring so many other passages.

Again, Show me baptize in these passages

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

again, will you answer. or are you a troll I should stop feeding

I have no problem answering questions, why didn't you answer mine.

You don't believe being baptized in a work?

If you didn't say it that is what you mean RIGHT?

Is the question you asking for me to show you where there is the word bapism in those verse?

I did not see anywhere where is says we have to be baptized.

I also didn't see anywhere how to get rid of our sins.

Do you have any that mentions gets rid of our sins?

How do we get rid of our sins?

We still have a problem you siad I prevered HIS word I do not take that lightly.

YOU TELL ME WHAT THESE TWO VERSES SAY AND MEAN.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

EXPLAIN THEM TO ME.

What did I prevert?
 
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You don't believe being baptized in a work?

Do you really believe that being baptized is a work? Is that right?

You mean if you have to get up off the couch and go to a Baptismal service, that's work? It's not working or any type of work, it is a proclamation, or a declaration if you will. To God and to the world that says, I gave my Lord to Jesus the Christ and belong to Him now.

It says, I joined the Kingdom of God now! So in a way it's sort of like joining a club or joining the Military. But you wont put on their company hat unless you get paid extra for it? That's kind of like what you are saying. I'll join your police force but I don't want to wear a uniform. It has be plain clothes! (Lol). No Adam 12 hats for me, he said! Ok maybe I'll wear a uniform if it comes with lots of stripes on it...No Brother. Everyone starts as a private with no stripes. You have to earn the stripes.

You wanted to be on the force but you don't want to show up for the swearing in ceremony, Because it's worrrk! Lol!

Good luck with that Brother. You do have to get baptised if it is within your power to do so. He'll let you slide if your half dead about to die and say, let me join you and follow you, but not just because of spiritual laziness (I *think*).

Would showing up for the Kingdom of God's version of SEAL Training be also considered work by you? Look, if we are Christians and hold hope and faith to be with someone who is peaceful and loving and righteous (The Lord), then He asks you to consider three truths. Love, truth, Obedience. Yes Brother God requires us to be Obedient. Obedient to what? (Good question), To His Word. That means pick up that (plow) Bible and read it and read it daily. Study to show thyself approved. (Uh-Oh that's work too?) Too much to ask from you from God? You want the hat but you dont want to work for Him...Wow.
 
Do you really believe that being baptized is a work? Is that right?

You mean if you have to get up off the couch and go to a Baptismal service, that's work? It's not working or any type of work, it is a proclamation, or a declaration if you will. To God and to the world that says, I gave my Lord to Jesus the Christ and belong to Him now.

It says, I joined the Kingdom of God now! So in a way it's sort of like joining a club or joining the Military. But you wont put on their company hat unless you get paid extra for it? That's kind of like what you are saying. I'll join your police force but I don't want to wear a uniform. It has be plain clothes! (Lol). No Adam 12 hats for me, he said! Ok maybe I'll wear a uniform if it comes with lots of stripes on it...No Brother. Everyone starts as a private with no stripes. You have to earn the stripes.

You wanted to be on the force but you don't want to show up for the swearing in ceremony, Because it's worrrk! Lol!

Good luck with that Brother. You do have to get baptised if it is within your power to do so. He'll let you slide if your half dead about to die and say, let me join you and follow you, but not just because of spiritual laziness (I *think*).

Would showing up for the Kingdom of God's version of SEAL Training be also considered work by you? Look, if we are Christians and hold hope and faith to be with someone who is peaceful and loving and righteous (The Lord), then He asks you to consider three truths. Love, truth, Obedience. Yes Brother God requires us to be Obedient. Obedient to what? (Good question), To His Word. That means pick up that (plow) Bible and read it and read it daily. Study to show thyself approved. (Uh-Oh that's work too?) Too much to ask from you from God? You want the hat but you dont want to work for Him...Wow.

I guess you didn't see what I was saying since you just shared one part of it.

Everlasting-Grace does I was questioning him.

But if I did, I appreciate you giving me the what for lol!!

That's our job.
 
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I have answered it. try to read for once.

You do not have to agree with my answer. but to say I have not answered is a lie!

LOL, YOUR TOO FUNNY.

I know you tried to prove baptism is a work, TRIED.

I didn't ask you to prove baptism was a work, you did trie to do that on your own to prove you are right.

I did ask you this.

TELL ME WHAT THESE TWO VERSES SAY AND MEAN.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

EXPLAIN THEM TO ME.

What did I prevert?
 
LOL, YOUR TOO FUNNY.

I know you tried to prove baptism is a work, TRIED.

I didn't ask you to prove baptism was a work, you did trie to do that on your own to prove you are right.

I did ask you this.

TELL ME WHAT THESE TWO VERSES SAY AND MEAN.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

EXPLAIN THEM TO ME.

What did I prevert?
troll alert
 
Fyi, the thief didn't need to be baptized because he died OT laws, and when JESUS was next to him JESUS forgave his sins.
So before the NT the thief was saved because Jesus forgave his sins whilst both were on the cross?
He died under the OT laws, how does that save him?

Yet in the NT our sins are not forgiven until we are baptised.

Maybe then all we need to do is follow the OT laws to be saved?

If not then the NT is harsh. It negates grace, it negates we are saved by faith through grace.

The thief didn't need to be baptized to be saved (who was probably Jewish) you say.

But because Jesus is not next to us our sins cannot be forgiven unless baptised.
You suggest.

Luke 23:42-43
42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

The thief was saved by his faith in the LORD and who he actually was.
He knew Jesus would rise from the dead and he would be with him.

As you say the thief did not need to be saved by baptism and Luke confirm that.

Simple really.
 
Do you really believe that being baptized is a work? Is that right?

You mean if you have to get up off the couch and go to a Baptismal service, that's work? It's not working or any type of work, it is a proclamation, or a declaration if you will. To God and to the world that says, I gave my Lord to Jesus the Christ and belong to Him now.

It says, I joined the Kingdom of God now! So in a way it's sort of like joining a club or joining the Military. But you wont put on their company hat unless you get paid extra for it? That's kind of like what you are saying. I'll join your police force but I don't want to wear a uniform. It has be plain clothes! (Lol). No Adam 12 hats for me, he said! Ok maybe I'll wear a uniform if it comes with lots of stripes on it...No Brother. Everyone starts as a private with no stripes. You have to earn the stripes.

You wanted to be on the force but you don't want to show up for the swearing in ceremony, Because it's worrrk! Lol!

Good luck with that Brother. You do have to get baptised if it is within your power to do so. He'll let you slide if your half dead about to die and say, let me join you and follow you, but not just because of spiritual laziness (I *think*).

Would showing up for the Kingdom of God's version of SEAL Training be also considered work by you? Look, if we are Christians and hold hope and faith to be with someone who is peaceful and loving and righteous (The Lord), then He asks you to consider three truths. Love, truth, Obedience. Yes Brother God requires us to be Obedient. Obedient to what? (Good question), To His Word. That means pick up that (plow) Bible and read it and read it daily. Study to show thyself approved. (Uh-Oh that's work too?) Too much to ask from you from God? You want the hat but you dont want to work for Him...Wow.

Scripture?
 
Hmm

Who is Peter addressing here?


Acts 2:36-39
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Was Paul (who was charged to preach to the gentiles) an Apostle before the above?
 
Hmm

Who is Peter addressing here?


Acts 2:36-39
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Was Paul (who was charged to preach to the gentiles) an Apostle before the above?

1. the Jews
2. No, but the rest of the Apostles were charged to preach to all nations, Gentiles and Jews (in Matt. 28:19-20).
 
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Do you really believe that being baptized is a work? Is that right?

You mean if you have to get up off the couch and go to a Baptismal service, that's work? It's not working or any type of work, it is a proclamation, or a declaration if you will. To God and to the world that says, I gave my Lord to Jesus the Christ and belong to Him now.

It says, I joined the Kingdom of God now! So in a way it's sort of like joining a club or joining the Military. But you wont put on their company hat unless you get paid extra for it? That's kind of like what you are saying. I'll join your police force but I don't want to wear a uniform. It has be plain clothes! (Lol). No Adam 12 hats for me, he said! Ok maybe I'll wear a uniform if it comes with lots of stripes on it...No Brother. Everyone starts as a private with no stripes. You have to earn the stripes.

You wanted to be on the force but you don't want to show up for the swearing in ceremony, Because it's worrrk! Lol!

Good luck with that Brother. You do have to get baptised if it is within your power to do so. He'll let you slide if your half dead about to die and say, let me join you and follow you, but not just because of spiritual laziness (I *think*).

Would showing up for the Kingdom of God's version of SEAL Training be also considered work by you? Look, if we are Christians and hold hope and faith to be with someone who is peaceful and loving and righteous (The Lord), then He asks you to consider three truths. Love, truth, Obedience. Yes Brother God requires us to be Obedient. Obedient to what? (Good question), To His Word. That means pick up that (plow) Bible and read it and read it daily. Study to show thyself approved. (Uh-Oh that's work too?) Too much to ask from you from God? You want the hat but you dont want to work for Him...Wow.

The idea that water baptism has anything to do with salvation is indeed a works based salvation, as if our efforts for baptism added anything to the sufficiency of the Blood of Christ.

MM
 
So before the NT the thief was saved because Jesus forgave his sins whilst both were on the cross?
He died under the OT laws, how does that save him?

Yet in the NT our sins are not forgiven until we are baptised.

Maybe then all we need to do is follow the OT laws to be saved?

If not then the NT is harsh. It negates grace, it negates we are saved by faith through grace.

The thief didn't need to be baptized to be saved (who was probably Jewish) you say.

But because Jesus is not next to us our sins cannot be forgiven unless baptised.
You suggest.

Luke 23:42-43
42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

The thief was saved by his faith in the LORD and who he actually was.
He knew Jesus would rise from the dead and he would be with him.

As you say the thief did not need to be saved by baptism and Luke confirm that.

Simple really.

You.
"So before the NT the thief was saved because Jesus forgave his sins whilst both were on the cross? He died under the OT laws, how does that save him?"

I guess you don't know but we can't enter heaven with our sins, when JESUS was hanging on the cross the thief was honest and he KNEW JESUS didn't deserve what was happening him, he asked JESUS to remember him, so JESUS said you shall be with me in paradise.

You.
"Yet in the NT our sins are not forgiven until we are baptised."
You are right, NT we need to be baptized in JESUS name.

You.
"Maybe then all we need to do is follow the OT laws to be saved?"
Sorry it's too lake to live in OT laws LOL.

You.
"If not then the NT is harsh. It negates grace, it negates we are saved by faith through grace."
OT they had rules to follow to remove sins just like we have rules today how to get rid of them.

What does the name john mean in hebrew?
The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (יוֹחָנָן‎), which means "God is gracious" or "God has graced"

We are saved by grace, GOD GRACELY gives us water to be baptized in.

You.
"The thief didn't need to be baptized to be saved (who was probably Jewish) you say.
But because Jesus is not next to us our sins cannot be forgiven unless baptised.
You suggest."
Yep, the thief didn't need to be and we do, but it's not my suggestion it's HIS rules not mine.

You.
"The thief was saved by his faith in the LORD and who he actually was.
He knew Jesus would rise from the dead and he would be with him."
You do know no one is saved just by faith, maybe not.

Just like Luke confirms it the book of Acts confirms how to get rid of our sins.

Why don't you like the book of Acts? What other books don't you like?