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The gospel right here, no baptism mentioned. Don't you think if water baptism was an essential part of the gospel, Paul would have at least mentioned? The gospel is about preaching not dipping....
1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
These Scriptures tell you what you must do to be reborn/saved:
[stated in terms of faith (F) and works (W)]
From Matthew
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F) in order to be reborn
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
From Luke
[stated in terms of faith (F) and works (W)]
From Matthew
- Repent (4:17, F), in order to be reborn.
- Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F) in order to be reborn
- Be righteous (5:20, W) in order to be reborn
- Love your enemies (5:44, W) in order to be reborn
- Serve God (6:24&33, W) in order to be reborn
- Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F) in order to be reborn
- Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W) in order to be reborn
- Hear and act (7:24, F&W) in order to be reborn
- Confess Jesus (10:32, W) in order to be reborn (etc.)
- Love Jesus (10:37, F)
- Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
- Have no doubt (11:6, F)
- Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
- Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
- Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
- Understand (13:23, F)
- Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
- Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
- Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
- Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
- Forgive others (18:35, W)
- Give to the poor (19:21, W)
- Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
- Yield fruit (21:43, W)
- Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
- Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
- Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
- Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
- Be ready (24:44, F&W)
- Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
- Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
- Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F) in order to be reborn
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
From Luke
- Be hated (6:22-23, W) in order to be reborn
- Lend (6:35, W)
- Judge not (6:37, W)
- Invite the poor to your party (14:13-14, W)
- Use wealth wisely (16:9, W)
- Stand firm (21:19, F)
- Be born again (3:3&6, F) in order to be reborn
- Come to the light (3:21, F)
- Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, W)
- Drink living water (4:14, F)
- Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
- Do right (5:29, W)
- Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
- Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
- Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
- Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
- Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
- Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
- Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
- Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
- Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
- Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
- Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F) in order to be reborn
- Call on the name of the Lord (2:21, F) in order to be reborn
- Repent and be baptized (2:38, cf.3:19, F&W)
- Believe in Jesus (10:43, cf. 13:39&48, F)
- Believe in the Lord Jesus (16:31, cf. 18:8, F)
- Repent and turn to God (26:20, F) in order to be reborn
- Have faith (1:17, F) in order to be reborn
- Persist in doing good (2:7&10, cf.3:12, W)
- Obey the law (2:13, cf. 3:20, W)
- Have faith in Jesus Christ (3:22, 26&28&5:1, F)
- Confess Jesus as resurrected Lord (10:9, F&W)
- Call on the name of the Lord (10:13, F) in order to be reborn
- Believe (1:21, F) in order to be reborn
- Hold firmly to the gospel (15:2, F)
- Repent (7:10, F) in order to be reborn, etc.
water baptism is pointed to a spiritual baptism through the Gospel. As we put to death our old way of living and live the new way of Jesus which leads to salvation as we follow or obey this Gospel. This is done by the Spirit.
This also same as the spiritual circumcision (not of the flesh but of the heart)
No one is saved through water baptism or "physical" circumcision but only through the "spiritual" circumcision and baptism of the heart by the Spirit through our obedience to this Gospel message.
The Gospel is about Jesus death and resurrection.
Faith is the name given to how we must received this Gospel message.
it's all link, but there is a physical elements point to a spiritual truth.
This also same as the spiritual circumcision (not of the flesh but of the heart)
No one is saved through water baptism or "physical" circumcision but only through the "spiritual" circumcision and baptism of the heart by the Spirit through our obedience to this Gospel message.
The Gospel is about Jesus death and resurrection.
Faith is the name given to how we must received this Gospel message.
it's all link, but there is a physical elements point to a spiritual truth.
Yeah lol you have to read the rest of the New Testament that part isn’t about baptism lol … it fits with it like this
“I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
now baptism because I believe that’s true
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( this parts about baptism notice how it’s also about his death for sin and resurrection) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. ….Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-7, 11 KJV
why would one thing paul said erase and invalidate the other thing he said ? Crazy way to read Paul
I can pick any set of verses and tell you what’s not in them , it doesn’t mean it’s not elsewhere .that’s not a good argument.
Removing the Bible for a few sentences of Paul is a terrible miscalculation we’re actually warned about that .
“I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
now baptism because I believe that’s true
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( this parts about baptism notice how it’s also about his death for sin and resurrection) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. ….Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-7, 11 KJV
why would one thing paul said erase and invalidate the other thing he said ? Crazy way to read Paul
I can pick any set of verses and tell you what’s not in them , it doesn’t mean it’s not elsewhere .that’s not a good argument.
Removing the Bible for a few sentences of Paul is a terrible miscalculation we’re actually warned about that .
1. They actually all preached to Jews and Gentiles.
2. That Jesus Christ died as the propitiation for the sins of the world, rose again to justify those who believe He rose again, poured out the Holy Spirit to convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, and is coming again to judge the world for the things we have done.
3. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am an apostle of the Gentiles, (εἰμι ἐγὼ ἐθνῶν ἀπόστολος) I magnify mine office:
1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
4. Same as 2 above.
2. That Jesus Christ died as the propitiation for the sins of the world, rose again to justify those who believe He rose again, poured out the Holy Spirit to convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, and is coming again to judge the world for the things we have done.
3. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am an apostle of the Gentiles, (εἰμι ἐγὼ ἐθνῶν ἀπόστολος) I magnify mine office:
1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
4. Same as 2 above.
There are two different dispensations. OT and NT.
Why was Paul baptized and explain what it was for?
Why did speak in tongues and explain what it's all about in detail?
Why did Paul still preach the same message in Acts 19, 20 YEARS AFTER the day of Pentecost?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
NOTICE BOTH, baptizm and filled with the HOLY GHOST?
Why did Paul preach the SAME MESSAGE TO THE JEWS AND THE GREEKS FOR YEARS?
Why was Paul baptized and explain what it was for?
Why did speak in tongues and explain what it's all about in detail?
Why did Paul still preach the same message in Acts 19, 20 YEARS AFTER the day of Pentecost?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
NOTICE BOTH, baptizm and filled with the HOLY GHOST?
Why did Paul preach the SAME MESSAGE TO THE JEWS AND THE GREEKS FOR YEARS?
How do you know that all the eleven preached to Gentiles? Peter is the only one said to have preached to Gentiles in one of his journeys, but he returned to Jerusalem into the presence of the others.
Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Anyone who knows the historic, biblical difference as to who were those called the circumcision and who were called the uncircumcision, the glaring ramifications of this become painfully aparent, even to the casual reader. Those out there with an agenda will deny, deny and perpetually deny at the exclusion of honestly handling the word of God for what it says in clear and precise language.
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Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Anyone who knows the historic, biblical difference as to who were those called the circumcision and who were called the uncircumcision, the glaring ramifications of this become painfully aparent, even to the casual reader. Those out there with an agenda will deny, deny and perpetually deny at the exclusion of honestly handling the word of God for what it says in clear and precise language.
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Perhaps if I understood why you seem to equate something Paul did as being some sort of unwritten command, then we may be able to dispense with that notion for the falsehood that it is. Paul also made tents, but that's not something we can rightfully construe as some sort of silent, unwritten command to us all that we begin performing in our lives today.
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