GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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You do not get it. We do not play cards with verses and who has more of them, wins.
If one verse is against your theology, your theology is wrong, even with 2000+ verses, if you think so.
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You said that Sabbath is not shadow. Colossians says it is. Done, you are wrong.
hmm really my friend? Please show me where I have ever said such things. If you cannot show me where I have ever said such things are you bearing false witness? Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who loves all (Romans 3:4). UNBELIEVERS will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven
This is because you do not know the Word of God and you are not building your house on the rock. If you build your house on the sand great shall be the fall of it. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. No matter how you want to say it, the fact remains UNBELIEVERS will not enter into the KINGDOM of Heaven. SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.
Do you love Jesus trofimus?
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Why do you still repeat your old posts? Do not you bother to actually discuss with us?
When you are proven wrong, repetition will not help you.
earlier in this thread, I said to you " anyone who believes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ is God's people "' you responded " that is not true ". post # 1662. ( missed it by 4, almost ). so their you go. you just denied John chapter 3.
I have been discussing with you but you have chosen to close your eyes and ears. The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Do you know the scriptures trofimus and do you know Jesus?
Did I really gb9? Are you sure you are saying what you are accusing me of? Maybe is it good to post all the conversation and the parts you left out?
Originally Posted by gb9
actually, anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is God's people. that is the mark of a believer. Sabbath keeping does not make one saved.
Which was followed by.......
Hmm well that did not go to well for you now did it? Do you owe me an apology? You do not have to I will leave that between you and God.
I owe you no apology. yes, we should follow Jesus. because we believe in him. you say that belief in Jesus is not enough. John 3, who so ever believes in Him ( speaking of himself ) shall not perish, but have eternal life. if you do not believe this, then that is between you and God.
Not at all my friend I BELIEVE God's Word and know him who calls me and FOLLOW Him who calls me and now I am free to LOVE HIM who first loved me. He bids many to come but many are called and few are chosen because men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil.
Jesus says that those that follow the teachings and traditions of men over the Word of God draw nigh unto him with their mouth, and honor him with their lips; but their heart is far from him and in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Do you know this scripture torfimus? Do you love Jesus?
You mean.......
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4, ¶ Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Do you BELIEVE God's Word gb9?
ALL those practicing SIN do not KNOW him. SIN will keep all those practicing it OUT of God's Kingdom....
But you do not understand to whom, why and when it was said.
Yes. And now, what can you do.
Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
sin is knowing to do good and not doing so. not everything goes back to Sabbath keeping . maybe to you, but not in reality.
Ok gb9, I have to go now as it is late my time my friend. It was nice talking with you. Actually sin is breaking God's LAW (10 commandments) God's LAW is the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL. It is the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in God's Word. Some of the scriptures to think about.....
James 2
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Ok good night my time friend talk more latter
May God bless you as you seek hm through His Word.
Sabbath was a shadowy commandment, the reality is in Christ. You must follow the flow of what God says, not just open your Bible in the beginning, ignoring the end.
Yes, if what is still yet to come, as none have yet entered that rest, any that claim to have made a ifferent rest outside of the word:
Colossians 2:16-17, “Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths; which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.”
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
This is the end;
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
"for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his."
Heb 4:10
Who are rejecting the message about Christ, have not entered the rest yet:
"Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience..."
Heb 4:6
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Enter the rest. For your soul´s sake.
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