You know as well as I do, that Christians say they love Jesus, But don't obey Him.
Heb 6 and 10, do contradict what people say on here. How can you say they don't??.
God LIED!
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You know as well as I do, that Christians say they love Jesus, But don't obey Him.
Heb 6 and 10, do contradict what people say on here. How can you say they don't??.
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on does not have to be a calvanist to know God does not need any man to do anything he wants done, If I will nto do it, God will get someone else to do it. Either way, He will do what he plans to do.
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Actually no one obeys him as required by the law. So all fall short of his glory,,
But what you do not know is Christians (true) do love him, and because of that love, learn to be more obedient than they were before, because they love God. why? Because God saved them, and gave them eternal life, and restored them to himself..
Maybe you can;t understand this?
Yes they do contradict not only what people say, But what people say makes them contradict other aspects of scripture. Thats the bad part..
Jesus was asked about this very thing:
"Then they asked Him, 'What is the work that God requires?' Jesus answered, 'This is the work that God requires; to believe in the One He has sent.' " (John 6:28-29)
That's it. And that's all.
Jesus didn't add a single requirement to that.
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amen, not only this, but he said whoever did this would never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, Never die, has eternal life, Will not be lost, And will be raised by Jesus himself on the last day.
What more needs said? if we do nto believe jesus in this, we will not believe him at all.
Grace give us the power to live as God wants us to live, But we still have the choice to either be obedient or disobedient.
We are to grow in grace, but some don't grow in grace, they live lives that are just like sinners.
Simple actually when you read scripture in it's context.
Here are some links that will help you with this. Here for Hebrews 6 ( Hebrews 6 is really a beautiful chapter on the security of the believe in Christ )
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128331-pendulum-has-swung-6.html#post2414064
and here for Hebrews 10
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...consequences-falling-grace-5.html#post2432285
Here is a video if you like watching them on Hebrews 10..
[video=youtube;IJ0i7NEYufo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0i7NEYufo[/video]
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um, John said that is impossible..
but even still. DO you realize, If you commit one sin, as James said, You are guilty of the whole law (thus determined to be a sinner)
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
so if one sin causes us to be a sinner, and unless we are sinless, we still sin, Then everyone is a sinner.
How do you deal with this? You just condemned everyone who ever walked the earth (but Christ) James said even stumbling is enough to condemn you forever.
If God told you to Minister healing to a dying person, and you refused, so the person dies, How come He didn't get someone else to do it?, Because I know that God has told someone to do that and he didn't, so the person died.
When I was a young Christian, God told me to Minister the Anointing to an Evangelist because as he was Ministering to the sick God said he is struggling, But I looked at all these big name Ministers on the platform and thought, surely God will use one of them, Not me. Then the Minister stopped ministering to the sick and said he has to stop because the Anointing has gone. I felt really bad, as all those people went home without being healed.
So why didn't God use someone else that time??.
No..NO, God cannot just do anything He wants to, He needs our cooperation.
Whatever way you look at Heb 6 and 10, you cannot get away from the fact that people can lose their salvation, As Heb says.
If you say you don't sin, You deceive yourself, the truth isn't in you and make God a liar, 1 Jn 1: 8--10.
Oooh oooh me me....James is talking to the Jews scattered abroad about coming out from under the law and turn to Jesus Christ, their Messiah. They missed Him the first time around and so now is their chance at the second advent to believe Jesus is the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant and will restore the kingdom to Israel. But this only makes since to a dispensationist.
This scripture says that anyone who has sinned against the Lord is blotted out of the book. How do we get around that one?..all of us have sinned.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
(Probably has something to do with the finished work of Christ which trumps this truth...when ever we don't factor in the clear abundant scriptures of the finished work of Christ - some obscure scriptures can throw us off )
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How do you know God did not get another person. And how do you know it was not Gods will for that person to die? we can't make biblical truths based on assumptions
God sent prophet after prophet to Isreal to tell them to repent, they did not, did god fail?
Just one look at those scruffy men, and I knew they have no respect for God, Their ministry or the people they are ministering to, So why should I believe a word that he says??.
I will say with the Truth found in Hen 6, Heb 10 and 1 Cor 16: 22.
PS, those men are supposed to be ambassadors for Jesus, and a Country would never send a scruffy ambassador out to represent it, and neither would God.
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no, because that would contradict the rest of scripture that says salvation is eternal.. see what I mean, Your interpretation causes it to contradict scripture..
Heb 6 and ten does not say you can lose salvation, thats a faulty interpretation.
Not a Hebrew myself, but a member of the body of Christ where there are no such distinctions. Obviously, Hebrews was written to the Hebrews about their Messiah. It is an important doctrinal book explaining the history of God's people Israel and how Jesus was a shadow of things to come. They missed out at His first advent and Hebrews helps point the way so they won't miss out on His second advent.