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Anyone? What did Jesus do to keep His "secret"? What did Jesus do to ensure that He went to the festival privately, as in, He didn't want anyone to know?
John 7:10 KJV - 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 NKJV - 10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 NLT - 10 But after his brothers left for the festival, Jesus also went, though secretly, staying out of public view.
John 7:10 NIV - 10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.
John 7:10 ESV - 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.
John 7:10 CSB - 10 After his brothers had gone up to the festival, then he also went up, not openly but secretly.
John 7:10 NASB20 - 10 But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as [though] in secret.
John 7:10 NET - 10 But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus himself also went up, not openly but in secret.
John 7:10 RSV - 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.
John 7:10 ASV - 10 But when his brethren were gone up unto the feast, then went he also up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 YLT - 10 And when his brethren went up, then also he himself went up to the feast, not manifestly, but as in secret;
John 7:10 DBY - 10 But when his brethren had gone up, then he himself also went up to the feast, not openly, but as in secret.
John 7:10 WEB - 10 But when his brethren had gone up, then he went also to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 HNV - 10 But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
Stop playing word games and answer the simple question with a simple answer. Don't circumvent. Don't ignore. Just answer the question.
John 7:10 KJV - 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 NKJV - 10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 NLT - 10 But after his brothers left for the festival, Jesus also went, though secretly, staying out of public view.
John 7:10 NIV - 10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.
John 7:10 ESV - 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.
John 7:10 CSB - 10 After his brothers had gone up to the festival, then he also went up, not openly but secretly.
John 7:10 NASB20 - 10 But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as [though] in secret.
John 7:10 NET - 10 But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus himself also went up, not openly but in secret.
John 7:10 RSV - 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.
John 7:10 ASV - 10 But when his brethren were gone up unto the feast, then went he also up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 YLT - 10 And when his brethren went up, then also he himself went up to the feast, not manifestly, but as in secret;
John 7:10 DBY - 10 But when his brethren had gone up, then he himself also went up to the feast, not openly, but as in secret.
John 7:10 WEB - 10 But when his brethren had gone up, then he went also to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
John 7:10 HNV - 10 But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
Stop playing word games and answer the simple question with a simple answer. Don't circumvent. Don't ignore. Just answer the question.
Hello @denny1953, since I see that you are a new member, I thought that I should start off by saying, welcome to CChat 
As for your question concerning Jesus' limited knowledge (in Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32), I believe that this limitation was true from the Incarnation to the Resurrection only, as the Bible tells us that He temporarily set aside certain aspects of His Divine nature when He lived among us as a man so that He could truly be like us in His dependence upon/obedience to His Father/His word, as well to the leading of the Spirit, as He walked through this life as one of us, doing for us what we had failed to do for ourselves by living a perfectly righteous life before His Father (to make it possible for us, by the Lord Jesus' righteous life and death on the Cross in our stead, to be declared both innocent AND righteous by the Father and be justified/saved by Him through faith .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).
While I believe that this is most likely the case (that Jesus chose to restrict His omniscience from His birth to His resurrection), the Bible never tells us that directly, so it remains one of the secret things of God/a mystery .. cf Deuteronomy 29:29, and we need to treat it as such.
I believe the most important thing that we need to takeaway from these verses (including Acts 1:7, where He no longer excludes Himself from possessing this knowledge, BTW) is what these verses do make clear to us, that we should ALWAYS be prepared for His Parousia, as if its happening is imminent, because we will not know the year/day/hour of its happening until it is already upon us.
God bless you!
~Deut
p.s. - and again, welcome to CChat.
As for your question concerning Jesus' limited knowledge (in Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32), I believe that this limitation was true from the Incarnation to the Resurrection only, as the Bible tells us that He temporarily set aside certain aspects of His Divine nature when He lived among us as a man so that He could truly be like us in His dependence upon/obedience to His Father/His word, as well to the leading of the Spirit, as He walked through this life as one of us, doing for us what we had failed to do for ourselves by living a perfectly righteous life before His Father (to make it possible for us, by the Lord Jesus' righteous life and death on the Cross in our stead, to be declared both innocent AND righteous by the Father and be justified/saved by Him through faith .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).
Philippians 2
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
While I believe that this is most likely the case (that Jesus chose to restrict His omniscience from His birth to His resurrection), the Bible never tells us that directly, so it remains one of the secret things of God/a mystery .. cf Deuteronomy 29:29, and we need to treat it as such.
I believe the most important thing that we need to takeaway from these verses (including Acts 1:7, where He no longer excludes Himself from possessing this knowledge, BTW) is what these verses do make clear to us, that we should ALWAYS be prepared for His Parousia, as if its happening is imminent, because we will not know the year/day/hour of its happening until it is already upon us.
God bless you!
~Deut
p.s. - and again, welcome to CChat.
1 Thessalonians 5
23 May the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body
be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.
We know that Jesus Christ can never lie because it is not in his nature or character, therefore there is no way he could have lied to his brethren. Period. Any interpretation of that scripture that says otherwise is faulty. There is no story of Jesus not telling the truth. It is your interpretation which is insinuating that he lied. Scriptures are not purely interpreted by the letter in most cases because the letter kills. It is the spirit in the word that gives meaning to the letter. Jesus said, the words I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life.
As regards Rahab, King David and Abraham telling lies, we should know that, first, to be righteous does not equate to sinlessness. To be sinless, we must grow to the level of righteousness of Christ Jesus. The righteousness which he manifested unto us. We must grow in righteousness unto holiness. Our God says, be holy for I am holy. And, Jesus enjoins us to be perfect as our father which is in heaven. So, there is a level of righteousness required of us below which it is possible to sin.
In Ezekiel 18, we read, "when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, all his righteousness that he has done, shall not be mentioned, in his trespass that he has trespassed and in his sin, that he has sinned, in them shall he die." This confirms the statement above, that it is possible for a righteous man to sin. --- until he reaches a certain ' maturity" of righteousness
Also, the same Ezekiel 18 says, " when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul because he considered and turned away from his wickedness. Therefore, I will judge you, everyone according to his ways, says the Lord God. Repent and turn yourselves from all your transgressions, so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed and make you a new heart and a new spirit"
Go and check the lives of the people you mentioned whether they did not repent of their sins and turned a new leaf and remained steadfast in God. God judges with his prescience of the future, so when he says one is righteous, no one can fault that. For he judges with perfect knowledge.
Secondly, we know that their dispensation is different from ours. in that, we are held to a higher moral standard than they were. For God has manifested himself unto us showing in person , an example of the new and living way he consecrated for mankind, that we have no more excuse. As Paul says in Act 17:30, the ignorance of the past, God winked at and now commands all men everywhere to repent. I have added this because I do not know what exactly you are insinuating in your post by mentioning them.
As regards Rahab, King David and Abraham telling lies, we should know that, first, to be righteous does not equate to sinlessness. To be sinless, we must grow to the level of righteousness of Christ Jesus. The righteousness which he manifested unto us. We must grow in righteousness unto holiness. Our God says, be holy for I am holy. And, Jesus enjoins us to be perfect as our father which is in heaven. So, there is a level of righteousness required of us below which it is possible to sin.
In Ezekiel 18, we read, "when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, all his righteousness that he has done, shall not be mentioned, in his trespass that he has trespassed and in his sin, that he has sinned, in them shall he die." This confirms the statement above, that it is possible for a righteous man to sin. --- until he reaches a certain ' maturity" of righteousness
Also, the same Ezekiel 18 says, " when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul because he considered and turned away from his wickedness. Therefore, I will judge you, everyone according to his ways, says the Lord God. Repent and turn yourselves from all your transgressions, so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed and make you a new heart and a new spirit"
Go and check the lives of the people you mentioned whether they did not repent of their sins and turned a new leaf and remained steadfast in God. God judges with his prescience of the future, so when he says one is righteous, no one can fault that. For he judges with perfect knowledge.
Secondly, we know that their dispensation is different from ours. in that, we are held to a higher moral standard than they were. For God has manifested himself unto us showing in person , an example of the new and living way he consecrated for mankind, that we have no more excuse. As Paul says in Act 17:30, the ignorance of the past, God winked at and now commands all men everywhere to repent. I have added this because I do not know what exactly you are insinuating in your post by mentioning them.
you have to give account for Jesus time on earth he was subject to God as men are
it was part of his mission to be subject to Gid as we are so Jesus was tempted , prayed for his own deliverance and was heard by God he was living in full as one of us and we are all subject to those things temptations of our flesh Jesus partook as we do while he was on earth he had set aside his glory for our sake but after he rose and was taken beck to heaven
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5 KJV
God chose to keep it from mankind all together so Christ had no knowledge of it for his earthly ministry it isn’t a part of mans knowledge it’s something only God in heaven knows Jesus certainly knows at this point but men still don’t
it was part of his mission to be subject to Gid as we are so Jesus was tempted , prayed for his own deliverance and was heard by God he was living in full as one of us and we are all subject to those things temptations of our flesh Jesus partook as we do while he was on earth he had set aside his glory for our sake but after he rose and was taken beck to heaven
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5 KJV
God chose to keep it from mankind all together so Christ had no knowledge of it for his earthly ministry it isn’t a part of mans knowledge it’s something only God in heaven knows Jesus certainly knows at this point but men still don’t
If Jesus lied, He would have disqualified Himself as the perfect Lamb of God.
I am surprised any Christian would promote such a thing
I am surprised any Christian would promote such a thing
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Acts 4:27
We know from scripture that God's plan of salvation for mankind involves Jesus shedding his precious blood for man. This was bound to happen for God included it as part of his creation. At the dispensation of time it will come to pass. However, he did not at any time choose or appoint Harrod or Pontius Pilate or any one for that matter to be the ones to kill him. They chose to crucify him because of the wickedness of their heart. It is the evil of their heart that drew them to the act.
We know from scripture that God's plan of salvation for mankind involves Jesus shedding his precious blood for man. This was bound to happen for God included it as part of his creation. At the dispensation of time it will come to pass. However, he did not at any time choose or appoint Harrod or Pontius Pilate or any one for that matter to be the ones to kill him. They chose to crucify him because of the wickedness of their heart. It is the evil of their heart that drew them to the act.
Thanks again for your work. However, I have never said that Jesus sinned when he clearly told his "brothers" that he wouldn't be going to the festival. When Rahab clearly lied, I don't see this "lying" as a sin, for she saved the lives of Holy men in the process. Is that wrong? Is it wrong to lie in order to save the Lives of Righteous, Holy men? I would say "no, it isn't."
Did Jesus sin when He said what He said to His brothers? Impossible. There is no way that what Jesus did was a sin . . . utterly impossible, for I would never put my Faith and Trust into someone that wasn't perfect, and Jesus was certainly perfect.
Did Jesus sin when He said what He said to His brothers? Impossible. There is no way that what Jesus did was a sin . . . utterly impossible, for I would never put my Faith and Trust into someone that wasn't perfect, and Jesus was certainly perfect.
If any man sees his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. there is a sin unto death. I do not say that he shall pray for it.
I think we can classify the lie of Rahab as one not unto death. Jesus did not lie and therefore did not sin.