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Bowman, you're a ridiculous little man. Clearly, Jesus Christ is called the Last Adam because He's our Kinsman Redeemer. That's Scripture 101.
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I cannot believe dinosaurs still exist today. Haven't seen any lately, nor any woolly mammoths.
The fossil record isn't a lie, and it doesn't support man's false theory of evolution. It's evidence our Heavenly Father left us of a destruction upon this earth long before Noah's day.
I haven't seen any evidence that dinosaurs existed along with humans. Cave drawings can be just as suspect as evolution theories. There's no way to know how long ago dinosaurs roamed this earth, but the fossil record is enough evidence to know that was a lot longer ago than Noah's days. Afterall, didn't God tell Noah to take aboard the ark two of every specie of animal?
And yes, evolutionists presumptions about the fossil record does involve lies. But I'm not an evolutionist.
Haven't you ever wondered why our Lord Jesus in His Revelation told us in God's future new heavens and new earth there will be no more seas? Have you not understood Genesis 2 about God's River of the Waters of Life once being upon this earth, and then returning in the future per Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22, along with the tree of life?
C
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There is so many logical issues with some of these arguments.
Example: billions of years? Where is the evidence? You have weird dating methods that are continually discredited. But even more importantly where are the BONES? If you look at the last 100 years of life we have so many scattered bones from people and animals dying, yet in BILLIONS of years very little do you have any comprehension of how much time that is? If you look at a 1% reproduction rate of humans in under a hundred thousand years we would fill the planet all the way up to the moon. And the 1% reproduction rate is so we can survive.
And here's the biggest issue: Scripture is completely contrary to evolution.
1. Death entered the world through man. Man did not enter the world through death and "natural selection".
2. Species take after their own kind. That means animals didn't change into new species either.
Which makes perfect sense when you look at OBSERVABLE evidence. You have to add billions on to some of these theories for them to hold any water. When the arguments make no logical sense the reply is well it took time, billions of years.
You might be thinking well an old Earth doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Well it does because if you have humans on Earth from the beginning with the old Earth model you have a lot of issues. Scripture tells us animals were created for man. And man named them. So from a Scripture stand point man is the focus of everything.
Yet people think Earth was just sitting around for billions of years without man and animals? Okay so let's think of this. Why were trees given (Genesis) for food. But if there are no humankind or animalkind what food are they for?
If you think the Creation Days are millions or billions of years apart you have another issue.
Day 3: Vegetation is created.
Day 4: Sun is created.
Vegetation, trees, etc need sunlight. If it's not a literal day you have a huge issue of the green things surviving.
Day 6 man is created. And God says the following...
28God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
All the fish, birds, every living creature was created for man to rule over. Why? Because God rules over everything. And we are made in His image.
29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
All the seed bearing plants are given for man to have food. Later this was changed into eating animals.
30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
And now all the beasts, birds, and creatures are to eat the green plants for food. If this isn't literal days you have HUGE problems.
1. You don't have sun for green plants.
2. You don't have man to name the animals.
3. It's not until the 6th day that it "became so" which means animals weren't eating green plants yet.
31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.
Notice God is stressing ALL He made. He's not stressing what He made in the 6th day. It was built as a package deal. And all of these takes away the idea of Day 1, 2, 3 etc were not literally very short periods (not millions, billions of years between). Unless God did it supernaturally and made animals that didn't need green plants etc until it was the 6th "epoch". But if you're going to believe that why not believe that God made it in 6 days like His readers, Jesus, and the calendar all imply! Consider for instance we have 24 literal days and it stresses (morning and evening). Hence the same as we have. Why say morning and evening if it's not morning and evening? Kinda ridiculous. But if you're going to believe all that why not believe God is well able to do it all in 6 days and man is wrong right now in his understanding of dating?
C.
Example: billions of years? Where is the evidence? You have weird dating methods that are continually discredited. But even more importantly where are the BONES? If you look at the last 100 years of life we have so many scattered bones from people and animals dying, yet in BILLIONS of years very little do you have any comprehension of how much time that is? If you look at a 1% reproduction rate of humans in under a hundred thousand years we would fill the planet all the way up to the moon. And the 1% reproduction rate is so we can survive.
And here's the biggest issue: Scripture is completely contrary to evolution.
1. Death entered the world through man. Man did not enter the world through death and "natural selection".
2. Species take after their own kind. That means animals didn't change into new species either.
Which makes perfect sense when you look at OBSERVABLE evidence. You have to add billions on to some of these theories for them to hold any water. When the arguments make no logical sense the reply is well it took time, billions of years.
You might be thinking well an old Earth doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Well it does because if you have humans on Earth from the beginning with the old Earth model you have a lot of issues. Scripture tells us animals were created for man. And man named them. So from a Scripture stand point man is the focus of everything.
Yet people think Earth was just sitting around for billions of years without man and animals? Okay so let's think of this. Why were trees given (Genesis) for food. But if there are no humankind or animalkind what food are they for?
If you think the Creation Days are millions or billions of years apart you have another issue.
Day 3: Vegetation is created.
Day 4: Sun is created.
Vegetation, trees, etc need sunlight. If it's not a literal day you have a huge issue of the green things surviving.
Day 6 man is created. And God says the following...
28God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
All the fish, birds, every living creature was created for man to rule over. Why? Because God rules over everything. And we are made in His image.
29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
All the seed bearing plants are given for man to have food. Later this was changed into eating animals.
30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
And now all the beasts, birds, and creatures are to eat the green plants for food. If this isn't literal days you have HUGE problems.
1. You don't have sun for green plants.
2. You don't have man to name the animals.
3. It's not until the 6th day that it "became so" which means animals weren't eating green plants yet.
31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.
Notice God is stressing ALL He made. He's not stressing what He made in the 6th day. It was built as a package deal. And all of these takes away the idea of Day 1, 2, 3 etc were not literally very short periods (not millions, billions of years between). Unless God did it supernaturally and made animals that didn't need green plants etc until it was the 6th "epoch". But if you're going to believe that why not believe that God made it in 6 days like His readers, Jesus, and the calendar all imply! Consider for instance we have 24 literal days and it stresses (morning and evening). Hence the same as we have. Why say morning and evening if it's not morning and evening? Kinda ridiculous. But if you're going to believe all that why not believe God is well able to do it all in 6 days and man is wrong right now in his understanding of dating?
C.
Great question.
Here's a dragon (dinosaur?) in Scripture for you though...
41 [SUP][a][/SUP] “Can you draw out Leviathan[SUP][b][/SUP] with a fishhook
or press down his tongue with a cord?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Can you put a rope in his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Will he make many pleas to you?
Will he speak to you soft words?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Will he make a covenant with you
to take him for your servant forever?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Will you play with him as with a bird,
or will you put him on a leash for your girls?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Will traders bargain over him?
Will they divide him up among the merchants?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Can you fill his skin with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Lay your hands on him;
remember the battle—you will not do it again!
[SUP]9 [/SUP][SUP][c][/SUP] Behold, the hope of a man is false;
he is laid low even at the sight of him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]No one is so fierce that he dares to stir him up.
Who then is he who can stand before me?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I will not keep silence concerning his limbs,
or his mighty strength, or his goodly frame.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who can strip off his outer garment?
Who would come near him with a bridle?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who can open the doors of his face?
Around his teeth is terror.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]His back is made of[SUP][d][/SUP] rows of shields,
shut up closely as with a seal.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]One is so near to another
that no air can come between them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]They are joined one to another;
they clasp each other and cannot be separated.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]His sneezings flash forth light,
and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Out of his mouth go flaming torches;
sparks of fire leap forth.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Out of his nostrils comes forth smoke,
as from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]His breath kindles coals,
and a flame comes forth from his mouth.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In his neck abides strength,
and terror dances before him.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]The folds of his flesh stick together,
firmly cast on him and immovable.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]His heart is hard as a stone,
hard as the lower millstone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When he raises himself up the mighty[SUP][e][/SUP] are afraid;
at the crashing they are beside themselves.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Though the sword reaches him, it does not avail,
nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He counts iron as straw,
and bronze as rotten wood.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The arrow cannot make him flee;
for him sling stones are turned to stubble.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Clubs are counted as stubble;
he laughs at the rattle of javelins.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]His underparts are like sharp potsherds;
he spreads himself like a threshing sledge on the mire.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]He makes the deep boil like a pot;
he makes the sea like a pot of ointment.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Behind him he leaves a shining wake;
one would think the deep to be white-haired.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]On earth there is not his like,
a creature without fear.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]He sees everything that is high;
he is king over all the sons of pride.”
God is stressing that His creation is greater then even those who consider themselves mighty. So how much more mighty is He that He would be questioned by Job?
C.
Here's a dragon (dinosaur?) in Scripture for you though...
41 [SUP][a][/SUP] “Can you draw out Leviathan[SUP][b][/SUP] with a fishhook
or press down his tongue with a cord?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Can you put a rope in his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Will he make many pleas to you?
Will he speak to you soft words?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Will he make a covenant with you
to take him for your servant forever?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Will you play with him as with a bird,
or will you put him on a leash for your girls?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Will traders bargain over him?
Will they divide him up among the merchants?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Can you fill his skin with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Lay your hands on him;
remember the battle—you will not do it again!
[SUP]9 [/SUP][SUP][c][/SUP] Behold, the hope of a man is false;
he is laid low even at the sight of him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]No one is so fierce that he dares to stir him up.
Who then is he who can stand before me?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I will not keep silence concerning his limbs,
or his mighty strength, or his goodly frame.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who can strip off his outer garment?
Who would come near him with a bridle?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who can open the doors of his face?
Around his teeth is terror.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]His back is made of[SUP][d][/SUP] rows of shields,
shut up closely as with a seal.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]One is so near to another
that no air can come between them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]They are joined one to another;
they clasp each other and cannot be separated.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]His sneezings flash forth light,
and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Out of his mouth go flaming torches;
sparks of fire leap forth.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Out of his nostrils comes forth smoke,
as from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]His breath kindles coals,
and a flame comes forth from his mouth.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In his neck abides strength,
and terror dances before him.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]The folds of his flesh stick together,
firmly cast on him and immovable.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]His heart is hard as a stone,
hard as the lower millstone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When he raises himself up the mighty[SUP][e][/SUP] are afraid;
at the crashing they are beside themselves.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Though the sword reaches him, it does not avail,
nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He counts iron as straw,
and bronze as rotten wood.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The arrow cannot make him flee;
for him sling stones are turned to stubble.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Clubs are counted as stubble;
he laughs at the rattle of javelins.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]His underparts are like sharp potsherds;
he spreads himself like a threshing sledge on the mire.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]He makes the deep boil like a pot;
he makes the sea like a pot of ointment.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Behind him he leaves a shining wake;
one would think the deep to be white-haired.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]On earth there is not his like,
a creature without fear.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]He sees everything that is high;
he is king over all the sons of pride.”
God is stressing that His creation is greater then even those who consider themselves mighty. So how much more mighty is He that He would be questioned by Job?
C.
1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 5 gives us an idea.
They both are compared in those chapters and Romans expands more on it...It says nothing about How they came onto the scene.
It most certainly does..
So also it has been written, "The" first "man", Adam, "became a living soul;" the last Adam a life-giving Spirit. (1 Cor 15.45)
1096 gínomai – properly, to emerge,become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another. 1096 (gínomai) fundamentally means "become" (becoming, became) so it is not an exact equivalent to the ordinary equative verb "to be" (is, was, will be) as with 1510 /eimí (1511 /eínai, 2258 /ēn).
The lexical defection proves to the reader that it was a process...a transitioning from one point to another.
It was NOT an instant 'to be' event....like YEC's want to force it to be.
A simple study of the original languages can clear-up many of your mis-conceptions...
Apostle Peter revealed it, for those who were paying attention:
2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV
"by the word of God the heavens were of old," - a reference to Genesis 1:1
"and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:" - a reference to Genesis 1:2-9
"Whereby the world that then was," - a reference to that old world created at Genesis 1:1
"being overflowed with water, perished:" - a reference to the resultant condition of the earth at Genesis 1:2.
You completely fail to grasp the context to which the verse speaks. This is a comparative example of how when Adam was created he went from a lump of dirt to a living being the instant God breathed into him life and Spirit. In like fashion Christ came that when a sinner seeks forgiveness of sin goes from dead in trespass and sin to alive unto God and inherits eternal life.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Evolution and old earth theory are essential parts of secular humanism which is far more religious than Christianity. God did exactly what He said He did and exactly the way He said He did it.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Guest
Who said they were not? No place in scripture says there were no what we call dinosaurs in the ark. In fact, if we look at job, They were also around after the flood. How did they get their if they did not go through the flood.
Oh and climate change,, and many other things go into making an animal extinct..
My basis in God's Word is Scripture like what Apostle Peter showed in 2 Pet.3 about the "world that then was" being overflowed with water perished, which is pointing to the condition of the earth at Gen.1:2-9, since Peter made reference to the time when God first created the earth. The Jer.4:23-28 verse section also is pointing to that event, as Paul also did in Rom.8 about the event of the earth mourning because of God placing the creation in a state of bondage of corruption.
I believe God did that to end the old world because of Satan's original rebellion against Him, drawing a third of the angels to earth with him per Rev.12:3-4. That would point to that old world being the existence of the sons of God living upon the earth back then, not flesh man.
So any fossil evidence and human existence along with the time of the dinosaurs I believe is actually evidence of the sons of God living upon the earth back then. That would help explain the ancient perfect human arch footprints found fossilized inside and upon the fossil footprints of dinosaurs which some consider proof instead of flesh man existing with dinosaurs. That kind of explains why the lack of human skeletal remains fosslized with dinosaur remains, while human footprints fossilized within dinosaur footprints do exist.
Speculative at best.
Noah's ark easily could have had baby dinosaurs or dinosaur eggs on board to preserve them. Young dinosaurs would be more docile and have a longer reproductive expectancy that old mature dinosaurs.
I recently viewed an iron hammer with a petrified wooden handle that was fossilized into a rock layer with fossils that were said to be millions of years old. There are numerous examples of inconsistencies in the fossil records with fossils being found in the wrong rock layers or in multiple layers. These records are not widely publicized because the special interests involved don't want them to be widely known.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yeah, of course I'm doing some speculating, but based on God's Word and the evidence He left us in the fossil record. Evolutionists are totally against what I've been saying.
And yet, you're doing the same thing with the dinosaur egg thing on Noah's ark. And even if that was so, we'd still have huge dinosaurs walking around on the earth today, which of course, is NOT speculation, because they aren't.