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Please cite one observed example of a single cell suddenly appearing, nourished by soil that provides the bewildering supply of finished amino acids and thousands of other organic compounds necessary at once, in concert, to sustai nthat original single cell even one minute!
Why bother with a universe necessarily full of special miracles just to invent DNA when our Supreme God can by his words create one living being along with all necessary conduits of life, sustaining its growth, and matching the very image and likeness of his Creator God? The alternative was to create a huge laboratory filling the entire universe, full of imps, each concocting a particular chemical, others arranging the exactly right chemical reactions between all of those products, with the aim of making a living man.
Well, nothing in nature hints of such a process. Man was made a man all in one day, fully functional with no announced faults whatsoever.
Rather, the word of God plainly states that God fashioned Adam from dust, like a potter forms a vase. He then breathed life into the man, and he became a living vase pleasing to God.
Looking at the physiology of man, that Adam could not have escaped rot past a few minutes of formation without given full functionality that same hour. That lifeless "vase" could never have lived to be a man without a fully functional circulatory system, endocrine, resperatory, skeletal, muscular, etc set of perfectly cooperating systems, all in the same "hour", actually within about 2 minutes of our time. Within 4 minutes he would have remained brain dead.
Quit letting Satan celebrate his partying over human stupidity! God did it the only way possible, yet naturally sustainable by reproduction of Adam's "kind".
His flesh heart couldn't have hung around thousands of years reproducing more hearts, eventually figuring out a way to get oxygen into the heart muscles, enough to begin forming a stomach and intestines to process food energy.
But wait. That would require a mouth and teeth to take food in. But wait. That would have required that heart to devise lungs to absorb oxygen.
But wait, none of that would occur without first the heart muscle developing a brain and senses like sight, smell, taste, to search for and take in food.
The point is that little ovule wouldn't have had those testes to form in until late in the evolutionary process, so from the date of the heart formation, all else would have never happened, but would have perished, and that original heart would have dried up into a slug a day or two after existing.
The way God says it happened is great science. The complete human body was made in a single day in the personal attendance of Creator God who knew all the required steps, and possessed the necessary skills to coordinate all of them perfectly. He didn't even let the human eye suffer loss from lack of systemic coordination! It's the only sensible explanation, because that is the truth.
1 Peter 3:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The maximum extent of times of generations of men in the Bible is "years", not millennia. That verse refers to the times of, the years of, Noah. His genealogy clearly defines the extent of his times. They were normal, comparative, to others of his "days". Nowhere do "day" or even "years" extend out to millennia or larger "epochs" of time in the Bible.
Geologists established the concept of extreme time periods such as "epochs", representing millions and billions of years, based not on the word of God, but upon pitiful men examining layers of rock. Students od geology are soon faced with blatant errors in modern thinking, easily witnessing the discrepancies, knowing the "calibration" of geologic/paleoentolic "evidences" are based on bias of men that rejected God and the Bible. Their task in life, agreed amoung themselves, was to develop an alternative natural history capable of deluding simple minds. Few of earth's people have bothered to evaluate their claims, many of which are now known to be blatant hoaxes That the many serial hoaxes are still not yet fully exposed by modern science, modern science stands in the jury box of God as a false witness, a liar, and subject o intense judgment.
It's the Creation Scientists, AT LEAST equally qualified peers of evolutionists, that hold the line, forever exposing the lies of the secular science "Sanhredin" of modern times.
You don't understand what a fallacy is? I have been telling you that you were using a fallacy as an argument...That is a big problem is reasoning.
How is NASA putting a man on the moon the same as them saying the earth was spinning too fast when it was created?
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You're not stumping us with your figurative language and Joshua's long day comparisons. Joshua's long day was a miracle, a supernatural occurrence, a once off. It wasn't a normal thing. Context is king.
Your knowledge of natural science is pitiful. I suppose you don't realize many plants are propagated from bird feces. The birds eat the fruits, then their digestive system "stratifies" the seeds, which when deposited on soil are fully equipped to sprout and reproduce the plant species consumed. Where' the "death"? It's the cycle of life created by God
It's how many weeds enter beautiful manicured grass and xeroscaped laws.
The fibrous material of a fruit supplies the bird (and the seed's development) necessary nutrients without damaging the reproductive cycle of the plant species. That's why it doesn't make sense that all that is eaten represents death of the consumed object.
There is yet one death that remains, the spiritual death of a man due to sin. But even that is overcome by belief in Christ, the Lord Jesus, Son of God.
I'll wait for you to reverse your statement like you did with your prior meritless assertion...
The same science organization that put a man on the moon states that Universe is billions of years old, and that the earth was spinning faster in the past than it is now.
Now...
Either you must accept these facts...or...reject that man ever landed on the moon.
A mighty tough spot for the YEC.
For the birds to even eat the seeds means that the fruit containing the seeds had to first die.
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Tintin
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Right, plants are 'living' in one sense, but they're not 'living' creatures in the human and animal sense. So this means there was no death before sin entered the world.
Modern astronomy science just can't support extreme pauses of time Stars and planets move with regularity, by which men measure passage of "time" All that is observable. What Valiant looks for is evidence of the non-observable, which typically involves the falsehoods of false science, metaphysical and spooky ideas. Modern faux science matches the thinking of Satan, who knows better, but prefers to subvert as many minds of men as possible, knowing he is very wrong. Satan is like the Bernie Madoff of economics history. He's so easy to be attracted to out of greed.
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In the beginning (TIME), God created the heavens (SPACE) and the earth (MATTER). In the beginning, God created the universe. At the beginning of all things, God created everything. Time didn't exist until God created it. And given the context of early Genesis, it's easy to see that Moses was talking about each day being the same length from the moment God created Time. Scripture interprets Scripture. Context is king. The Bible teaches that these days of Creation were standard length days.
Here, Bowman makes the error of a false dichotomy: "Either accept both, or you must reject both." That is a logical fallacy. There is no need to accept one just because you accept the other.
More on the false dichotomy:
A false dichotomy or false dilemma
occurs when an argument presents two options and ignores, either purposefully or out of ignorance, other alternatives. In general, a false dichotomy gives the impression that the two opposite options are mutually exclusive (that is, only one of them may be the case, never both) and that at least one of them is true, that is, they represent all of the possible options. (False Dichotomy (Dilemma) { Philosophy Index })
Description: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices. Another variety is the false trilemma, which is when three choices are presented when more exist. (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/94/False_Dilemma)
:smoke: is there anyone here how the banana's and the coconut's is been planted by the very nature itself meaning without any interference of humans 
:8) please kindly tell us :happy:
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godbless us all always
:8) please kindly tell us :happy:
:ty:
godbless us all always
This seems to be your argument, am I correct?
1) Adam was taken out of the earth
2) Adam returns to the earth
3) When Adam returns to the earth it is a long process
4) Therefore, Him coming out of the earth was a long process
and you said it was
1)Now combine 2 and 3 and you have: Adam returns to the earth, which is a long process
That is the hasty generalization, which is a logical fallacy
2)Which is what I wrote below
1)It is taken from the earth
2)it returns in a long process
3)therefore being taken from the earth is a long process
A hasty generalization is basically when you do not look at all the variables. Adam was created supernaturally, he died naturally. The fact that he came from the same place he is going doesn't mean anything. I will give you an example.
1) I came from Alaska
2) I returned to Alaska and it took 6 hours.
3) Therefore it took 5 days for me to get to my 2nd location from Alaska
Sounds just like your example, right? Here are the unknown variables:
1) When I left Alaska, I flew, and it only took an hour
2) When I returned, I drove and it took 6 hours.
Do you see how we need to look at all the variables?
Just because it is the same science doesn't mean they are both correct. There are other variables in this too.
Under a microscope one can witness the movement of plant elements, cells dividing before one's eyes. With but the living eye of man one can view an emerging seedling above ground, and realize the concept of life. Once witnessing the birth and development of a human newborn that lesson amplifies tremendously. In time we, by the Spirit, realize there are different spheres of "life", the natural, and a spiritual. There is but one spiritual life from God, but many natural "lives".
In a sense God' perfect creation of plants is immune to total death because of it's seed. It's not corrupted. The seed of the man was corrupted, so death reigns in man, not nature. Nature then suffers birth pangs for it's redemption, which is not spiritual. The natural suffered the curse of Adam's sin, not any sin of nature.
So death is of man, to and for carnal man. It was not built into creation as normal by God.
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But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’
Mark 10:6
That doesn't sound to me like billions of years of history before Adam and Eve arrived on the scene.
Mark 10:6
That doesn't sound to me like billions of years of history before Adam and Eve arrived on the scene.
Anything logical, is a fallacy to a YEC.
Then you reject one as truth.....hmmmm, let's see...you reject that man landed on the moon, right?
'From the beginning' sounds like Gen 1.1....which invalidates Adam and Eve being created on 'day 6'...which is obviously AFTER the beginning...