getting dates about a young earth

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valiant said:
But even men had days of indefinite length, they did not see days as the same length, they would see some days as lasting longer than others. They had nothing to measure time with. Days did not have a fixed length. Consider Joshua's long day,

consider how we say 'the day flashed past' or 'its been a long day'.
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does 'day' mean the same thing in every context? no, I agree with that part.

I think the israelites had a 24-hour average day, seems that it was measured sunset to sunset.

I think they understood that they were supposed to work six of those, rest the seventh.

Joshua did have a day that seems to be longer than the average 24-hours. measuring it from, say, sunset to sunset, I think it would count as one of the six work periods.

yes, there probably is slight variation in 24-hour length, and at least one miraculous variation. maybe that's why the israelites probably said 'sunset to sunset is close enough, work six of those.'

I think God was ok with that.
 
Dan_473 said:
God is the one doing the accomplishing. how long does God 'need' to do something?
I'd say anywhere from 'instant' to a trillion years or more.

so, the answer that I'm seeing is that no, the story doesn't say how long 'time' is.
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The time period can be determined by General Revelation.
 
Dan_473 said:
at this point, it looks to me like you're being deliberately obtuse.

I asked what your view was, but I don't see anything in your response about your views.

you're a smart person, too smart to be sincerely answering in that way, imo.
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Ouch...we hit a bulls-eye...did we not?

We can see exactly how your 24hr worldview completely and utterly collapses when you have to compare the 'day' in which Adam was created to the 'day' in which he died.

See how utterly pitiful the YEC worldview is....?


Wake up...
 
valiant said:
in gen 1 'yom-' is not fixed as to time. It means God's 'day',
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in your view, does it mean that in every instance in the passage, including the 'day' that the sun rules over?

to me, the sun rules over an average 12-hour daytime.

was it different back then? possibly, though if the goal is to make it match up with mainstream science, then one has to posit a different rotation of the earth. also, one side of the earth would get scorched, while the other side freezes, I think.
 
Natural time periods. One day is one revolution of the earth. One year is one revolution of the sun. Moon has cycles as well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Bowman said:
Ouch...we hit a bulls-eye...did we not?

We can see exactly how your 24hr worldview completely and utterly collapses when you have to compare the 'day' in which Adam was created to the 'day' in which he died.

See how utterly pitiful the YEC worldview is....?


Wake up...
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Adam died Spiritually when he sinned. Physically he lived many years after he sinned.

There was no death until Adam sinned.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Bowman said:
The rotation of the earth is slowing down.

It was spinning too fast for life to exist when it was first formed.
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Hello Bowman,

Given my past experience with asking you follow-up questions, I'm not planning to respond to your posts at this time. I have noted this post number, I will be glad to resume responding to your posts as soon as I see evidence that it would likely be a productive discussion.
 
Dan_473 said:
God could have done it in an instant, of course.
I think God did it in six days, or stages, in order to lay down a pattern for humans.

moses tells the israelites, work six days, take the seventh off, like God did.

does someone think they don't need to rest because they still have energy after six? God rested.

to make this work, though, I think the six days, or stages, need to be of the same length. otherwise, it becomes, "God worked six time periods of indefinite length, so we should work six time periods of indefinite length... which in practice becomes no commandment at all, imo.
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T agree that it was all done over time. I was just wondering if the creation of man was done in a instant, so to speak, or over time.
The bible says God put into into a deep sleep and made Eve. How long did God put Adam to sleep? To me that would imply Eve, and probably Adam(?) were made over a relatively short period of time, certainly not anywhere consistent of forming life in comparison to the other processes named in the bible creation story.
 
Dan_473 said:
Hello Bowman,

Given my past experience with asking you follow-up questions, I'm not planning to respond to your posts at this time. I have noted this post number, I will be glad to resume responding to your posts as soon as I see evidence that it would likely be a productive discussion.
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Come back when you can start using BOTH God's General Revelation and His Special Revelation.

Right now...you are totally ignoring General Revelation...and limping along on Special Revelation...
 
Bowman said:
Ouch...we hit a bulls-eye...did we not?

We can see exactly how your 24hr worldview completely and utterly collapses when you have to compare the 'day' in which Adam was created to the 'day' in which he died.

See how utterly pitiful the YEC worldview is....?


Wake up...
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You do realize that is a fallacy, right?
 
Dan_473 said:
I've been looking at some young-earth creationist websites, and noticed that a lot of time is spent showing that the conventional dates for rocks and stuff is wrong, that the earth is much younger.

but the dates talked about don't always support a 6,000 year old earth.

from Library: Radio-Carbon Dating Proves a Young Earth
"For example, a rock aged by two different scientists using the most advanced radiometric technique was reported to be 10,000 years old by one scientist. The other scientist aged the same rock at several billion years."

is the 10,000 reliable?

what dates are arrived at with proper carbon-dating etc?
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this is an interesting post you have started Dan_473. if we look at the book of Beginnings ( Genesis ) there are somethings we do not see in the scriptures that give full understanding of the creation account other than this Main Truth.

In The "Beginning God". This Beginning is not of God; but of man who has been created by The First Cause uncaused.
Also the simplicity of the explanation that " God is the creator" of all things and man accepts that explanation completely because it was placed in all men the very clear understanding that God exists as stated in Rom chapter 1 which speaks on this.

Back to the Book of Genesis chapter one; can anyone tell me what the time frame was from verse 1 and 2? I don't see it given. Nor do I see how Long the Spirit of God " Hovering" over the surface. and in addition Genesis chapter 1 start out with God created the Heavens and the earth. And the earth was empty a mass cloaked in darkness, what is the time frame of the mass that could not be seen due to Light was not yet called into being?

There are those who take a hard line with other christians who do not believe or see clearly the 6 day creation account due to the general Revelation of Creation, which is not that God did it in 6 days; but the message of Genesis chapter 1

is that GOD did it. I think is an element of Faith. I do not need to know how God did it to satisfy Human intellect, or provide reason for all that is made, in a time frame that man in some way thinks, they can Hold God to. I only accept God did it.
 
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Bowman said:
The truth is never an easy thing to swallow for those opposed to it...
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I hope most of the other posters take the same stance as Dan and I.
It is one thing to have a open genuine discussion in love, with a expression of openness, edifying and humility. When someone stoops to the level of insults and rudeness, it is neither inappropriate nor Christian. Your responses are keeping more in line with secular chat boards.
I am not going to post to you anymore, here, or anywhere else.
If others do that, maybe you will change your approach.
Or you'll just find yourself talking to yourself.
Fine, your right in everything you say.
God has obviously given you a monopoly on this subject. You must have gone to seminary in heaven, seated right there in His presence. Have pity on us, and suffer us mere mortals.
Feel better?
We are just trying to have a friendly Christian discussion here.
Whatever your issue is, your don't need to take it our on us.
 
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valiant said:
a hippopotamus
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Perhaps you haven't seen a real hippo, or you haven't seen a real cedar. Or perhaps you just haven't read Job 40:17. Hippos whip their rather small tails around; there is nothing cedar-like about them. Hippos are also small compared to elephants. Judging simply by bone size, an apatosaurus or similar dinosaur is a more likely candidate.
 
notuptome said:
A very specific moment in time. The instant Adam sinned he died Spiritually. Immediate separation from God who created him.
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Then 'yawm' does not refer to a 24hr day in regards to Adam's spiritual death, as YEC's claim that it does in regards to Adam's birth.



No death of any kind.
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Plants had to die when Adam & Eve ate them....thus, there was death before the fall...
 
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