not "a couple inches" -- the regolith is (probably) 15 to 50 feet thick (depending on terrain, etc) -- it's not all loose & powdery; most of it is compacted.
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not "a couple inches" -- the regolith is (probably) 15 to 50 feet thick (depending on terrain, etc) -- it's not all loose & powdery; most of it is compacted.
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The magnetic field would have reached stasis a very long time ago, not be decaying at the rapid rate it is, were the earth billions of years old. As for cosmic dust, I likewise find it most unsatisfying an explanation that, over the course of billions of years, in recent thousands of years the cosmic dust decided to come around at a given rate of influx that, in fact, is indicative of some thousands of years, this lack of stasis over billions of years not making sense, seems more like a rhetorical cop out, for lack of a real explanation. There is no wind on the moon blowing the dust around: the fact remains only a couple inches, over a vast expanse, no way around this. The same is true of heavy elements on the ocean floor from space. What is "thought to be" doesn't hold weight, against data that is, also most convenient for people to come up with things "thought to be," when requiring an explanation against phenomenon that make the Godless textbooks, in fact, look foolish, also the nature of man's wisdom, which denies the power of God, fancy that.
Billions of years is an awful, awful long time, to be claiming there could even be a lack of stasis in such things, or anything. Throw in the lack of transitional forms or any quantity of fossils to indicate anything going on for millions of years, in terms of life, or soft tissue discovered in some fossils said to be millions of years old: is that duh, or what?!
Too many dogs don't hunt in secular science books, as if not to mention the devil's agenda to cover up anything which acknowledges God. Interesting there are so many Godless theories that don't hold up to real scrutiny.
I'm surprised that you're apparently are not even aware that the "day of the Lord" actually includes the whole 1,000 year reign of Christ and His elect that will begin on the day of the His return (Rev.20).
This is all making my head spin. I am glad I am not so smart, my headache after reading all this would be even more intense. I tend toward bible literalism. Six days, or 15 billion years? The Hebrew word for days in Genesis, I have heard, has a very different meaning to what we call a day, by the way.
There is a reason why the bible has a relatively very short telling of the creation of the universe and the earth and its creatures, outside of man, of course.
It does make for fascinating conversation, but at the end of the day one thing I can state that I am fairly certain about, based on my studies, and understanding, is that Adam and Eve were created about 5775 years ago. Carbon dating is inaccurate, not accurate. This age is almost over. Another 200 years or so at most. I think a lot less actually.
There is a reason why the bible has a relatively very short telling of the creation of the universe and the earth and its creatures, outside of man, of course.
It does make for fascinating conversation, but at the end of the day one thing I can state that I am fairly certain about, based on my studies, and understanding, is that Adam and Eve were created about 5775 years ago. Carbon dating is inaccurate, not accurate. This age is almost over. Another 200 years or so at most. I think a lot less actually.
lol adam and eve created 5775 years ago, the flood in 2300 bc, the ice age 2300-1600 bc, and all the people who wrote early 'histories' before 2300 bc didn't exist, to say nothing of archaeological digs, fascinating. Dream on Joseph!
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:blush: about this so called
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Cosmic dust

A microscope view of a dust grain
The Universe is a very dusty place. Cosmic dust consists of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke with small particles varying from collections of just a few molecules to grains of 0.1 mm in size. Dust is important because we find lots of it around young stars. In fact it helps them to form, and it is also the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed
:read:
NASA - Herschel Helps Solve Mystery of Cosmic Dust Origins
. ... the answers in every questions are all written in the holy scriptures by the chosen people of
our lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie
and our lord god the only begotten son jesus christ
:read:
Proverbs: 8. 22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31. Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
:hihihi: with the help of all that is holy
perhaps we could accomplish something better which can give us the best result to all the good things we hoping for
not only to this present time as we lived with freedom
to choice as long as we could until we step unto
the next stage or perhaps should we say the afterlife
:read:
2 Corinthians: 5. 4. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
now: all we need is to seek those answers
from the words of god itself
by having a pure conscience while reading the holy bible specially if we need other versions of the holy book to gather more truth from all of our salvations
:read:
1 Peter: 5. 5. Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
:8) and thats not all because to make sure that everything is working fine we need some helping hand from diffirent sources as what weve learned from true science and true magic ( it really helps a lot though not all believes in supernatural
)
:smoke: on the contrary we need to interpret every possible goodness in our hearth and in our soul
just like reading the diffirent emotions and thinking
of every people we encountered in our daily life :happy:
* for all our brethrens and our fellows
and our brothers and our sisters
believers and non believers
:read:
Ecclesiastes: 3. 11. He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the endu
:ty:
godbless us all always
:read:
Cosmic dust

A microscope view of a dust grain
The Universe is a very dusty place. Cosmic dust consists of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke with small particles varying from collections of just a few molecules to grains of 0.1 mm in size. Dust is important because we find lots of it around young stars. In fact it helps them to form, and it is also the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed
:read:
NASA - Herschel Helps Solve Mystery of Cosmic Dust Origins
. ... the answers in every questions are all written in the holy scriptures by the chosen people of
our lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie
and our lord god the only begotten son jesus christ
:read:
Proverbs: 8. 22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31. Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
:hihihi: with the help of all that is holy
perhaps we could accomplish something better which can give us the best result to all the good things we hoping for
not only to this present time as we lived with freedom
to choice as long as we could until we step unto
the next stage or perhaps should we say the afterlife
:read:
2 Corinthians: 5. 4. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
now: all we need is to seek those answers
from the words of god itself
by having a pure conscience while reading the holy bible specially if we need other versions of the holy book to gather more truth from all of our salvations
:read:
1 Peter: 5. 5. Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
:8) and thats not all because to make sure that everything is working fine we need some helping hand from diffirent sources as what weve learned from true science and true magic ( it really helps a lot though not all believes in supernatural
) :smoke: on the contrary we need to interpret every possible goodness in our hearth and in our soul
just like reading the diffirent emotions and thinking
of every people we encountered in our daily life :happy:
* for all our brethrens and our fellows
and our brothers and our sisters
believers and non believers
:read:
Ecclesiastes: 3. 11. He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the endu
:ty:
godbless us all always
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Now you are getting it...
It is not until Creation 'day' 4 that a calendar event down-to-actual-days is even mentioned as being possible - and it is even bracketed as such, by seasons, years, and days...so, how can you insist that the previous three 'days' are 24 hrs/ea?
You cannot.
in the passage Bowman quoted, both 'day' and 'time' are used to translate the same word. if in this passage it always means 'time', why not just use 'time' throughout the passage?
does this translation work:
"the sun to rule the period of light, and the moon to rule the night"
but what is the period of light the sun rules over, if not the calendar day?
does it work to say the great luminary rules over the epoch, and the small luminary rules the night? how long is the night, then?
when God tells the israelites to work six days then rest on the seventh, those six time periods, whatever we want to call them, is what I mean by calendar days.
what shall we call the six time periods the israelites were supposed to work?
that's kind of what i was getting at with the question about whether the sun was created on day 4 or not -- whether it was or whether it wasn't, a 24-hour earth day doesn't make any sense until the earth-sun orbital system is established; i.e., not until there is a sun rising and setting. before that, there's just no such thing, so a "yom" has a different interpretation IMO. and whther the sun & stars were created prior to yom 4, or only that the orbital system of the sun and the earth was established that day -- it's the same conclusion: that "evening and morning" on days 1-3 doesn't mean sunset and sunrise. because there is no such thing as sunset & sunrise until the sun is 'set in its course in the sky'
you're not hearing me at all --
the established rate of cooling of the outer core of the earth, from which the magnetosphere arises, is about 50 degrees kelvin per billion years.
it would not be "in stasis" long ago if the earth was billions of years old. it would be exactly what it is now: about 250K less than it was when the earth was created.
it's not at all ridiculous for levels of cosmic dust to vary over the course of long periods of time.
what do you know about how stars, and planetary systems form?
they start off as great clouds of dust. that dust congregates into a rough disc shape. local globs of it sweep out orbits, accumulating more dust by gravitational attraction. in all these early stages, there is a whole lot more dust present overall, because it hasn't yet accumulated by the action of gravity into planets, or the star itself.
the magnetic field of the sun changes over time too - and with it, the solar wind, which does in fact sweep away charged dust particles. it's well known that dust on the moon becomes polarized in the sunlight and can rise up kilometers above the surface. in a solar 'storm' of magnetic wind, that stuff can indeed get "blown away."
and there are plenty of events and interactions we know nothing about that could contribute to the observed depth of the regolith. the moon at some point probably had a molten interior and its own magneetic field was strong enough to keep charged dust from falling to the surface. large impact events have changed the moon's surface, no doubt altering the amount of dust seen afterwards.
as far as the earth - what makes you think dust settles uniformly through the sea to the bottom of the ocean floor? you know there's volcanic activity and vast tidal networks that regularly change the surface of the seabed, right? so what you look at now is nothing like a static record going back millions or even thousands of years - not even hundreds, or in some cases not even a few decades?
you're not hearing me at all.
the lunar regolith is almost 50 feet thick in some parts of the highlands. if the 1mm per thousands years rate of cosmic dust is constant, that is certainly not representing only a few thousand years -- 6,000 years at 1mm per thousand years is 6mm, friend.
15 meters is 1500 mm. that would be 1.5 million years worth of dust.
you got incontrovertible evidence that the rate of cosmic dust aggregation in the lunar neighborhood should be constant for the last 1.5 million years, with absolutely no forces acting to remove, redistribute, prevent or alter the rate of dust aggregation?
& that still gives you a 1.5 million year old moon, at the very least.
this isn't "scrutiny" you're giving - it's outright rejection of any observational facts that don't agree with a 6,000 year old universe. it's making the ignorant, false claim that anything that doesn't point at a 6,000 year old universe "doesn't acknowledge God" -- when in reality, a whole lot of people believe what the evidence and understanding they can glean from the universe they see tells them, and at the same time believe that the whole universe was created by God, belongs to Him, and that it all went down according to the Genesis account, when we understand what Genesis is saying properly.
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I wouldn't say 'insist', but I think the weight is on calendar day throughout.
that's because God separated the light from the darkness.
on day four, the sun moon and stars are appointed to separate the light from the darkness. given the context, I see that as God transfering something he had done before.
earlier, God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. later, the sun rules the day, the moon the night. again in the context, the sun is ruling what God called day.
so to me, there's at least one, and possibly two, instances of calendar days in the story.
are there any other passages in the scriptures where the hebrew word for 'day' is used both as calendar and undefined time period?
good points, and I don't want to be dogmatic about calendar days.
God separated the light from the dark, called the light 'day'. when the sun comes along in day four, is it ruling over a day that is different from what God called 'day'?
to me, in the context of the story, with light/darkness, day/night being presented in the same way both early in the story and on day four (maybe with the same wording? I don't know), it's the same light/darkness day/night.
We already went over this...
The term 'newborn' extends back to conception in the womb - which is the cellular and molecular level.
There is absolutely no reason for you to want to believe that Adam was created as an adult (other than your YEC worldview).
You must remember that Gen 1 is a condensed summary of creation. Gen 2 then starts to fill-in the details on what occurred on the most important day, 'day 6'.
The Hebrew verb ASA, translated 'made' or 'brought forth', appears in the appropriate form for Completed action. (There are no verb tenses in the Hebrew language to parallel verb tenses in English, but THREE Hebrew verb forms are used to denote action already completed, action not yet completed, and commands.) Verse 16 does not specify when in the past the sun, moon, and stars were made. However, the wording of verses 17 & 18 provide a hint.
Notice the echo of wording from 'day' One (Gen 3-5). These verses tell us WHY God created the Sun, Moon, and Stars and suggests that the sun was in place to fulfill its role on the first creation day:
Then said God, Let be light and was light. And saw God the light that good (it was) and separated God between the light and the darkness. And called God the light Day. And the darkness He called Night; and was the mixing and was the breaking forth time one. (Gen 1:3-5)
The compound Hebrew noun, shamayim wa’eres (heavens and Earth) in Genesis 1.1, places the making of the Sun and the stars BEFORE the first creation 'day':
In the beginning created God the heavens and the earth; and the earth was without form and empty, and darkness on the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was brooding on the face of the waters. (Gen 1.1-2)
Support scripture:
Where were you when I founded the earth? Declare if you know understanding. Who
has set its dimensions, for you know? Or who has stretched a line on it? On what were
its bases sunk? Or who cast its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together, and
all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:4-7)
He made the moon for seasons; the sun knows its going down. You put darkness, and it is night; in it all the forest animals creep. The young lions roar for prey, and to seek their food from God. The sun rises; they are gathered, and go to their dens to lie down. Man goes out to his work, and to his labor until the evening. (Psalm 104:19-23)
Praise Him, sun and moon; praise Him, all you stars of light. Praise Him, O heavens of heavens; and O waters that are above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Jehovah; for He commanded, and they were created. And He established them forever and ever; He gave a decree that they not pass away. (Psalm 148:3-6)
To Him who made great lights; for His mercy endures forever; the sun to rule by day; for His mercy endures forever; the moon and the stars to rule by night; for His mercy endures forever; (Psalm 136:7-9)
Ref: RTB
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Tintin
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Because Genesis 1 is a historical narrative, not a poem or anything that uses figurative language. The only poem in the Creation Week narrative is where Adam is admiring his new wife, Eve. Genesis 1-11 are no different to the rest of Genesis. Less detailed accounts in places, yes, but written in th
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Tintin
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There was light and there was darkness. There was Day and there was Night. God had already set TIME in motion and had created MATTER but not given it any form by the end of day 1. By the end of day 2, He had created SPACE. By the end of day 3, the earth had been given form and was already spinning on its axis and experiencing Day and Night. So 'day' = day.
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