getting dates about a young earth

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Firmament is verse 6 and the second day. Vesre 2 says "and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

I'm not sure why you have such problems understanding. Heavens and earth = universe. God created the universe on Day One, but it had no form. It was just some watery mass of matter. Then by Day Two, God had taken that watery mass of matter and gave the universe form. God is the Creator of all things, not the Facilitator of all things. There's a huge difference.
 
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ [SUP]7 [/SUP]‘For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, [SUP]8 [/SUP]and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Mark 10:5-9

Doesn't sound like 13.75 billion years of the universe existing before mankind arrived on the scene to me.
 
Sorry for taking so long to respond. I went out to dinner with some family. I'm back now. To answer your question, the egg came first. There is an abundance of transitional species in the fossil record. We are lucky to have any, by the way, and evolution does not rest on the fossil record. We would know it's true even if we didn't have a single fossil. But yes, there are many. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands. Pick your species. If you're interested in humans, check out the many Australopithecines, Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, and the others. Then archaic humans and modern humans. It's pretty neat stuff actually.

Where did what go? The transitional species? I don't think you understand how evolution works... Most all species that ever lived is said to be extinct, but even if that were not the case, evolution happens in populations, not in the individual. I don't know if Homo Erectus is in our direct lineage. Those examples I gave are some likely candidates, but even if they aren't our direct descendants, they display many features of the type of creatures you would expect around that time which did indeed inevitably give rise to modern humans. If they "became" us through many many generations, why would you suspect them to still be around? Part of what changes populations are societal pressures in nature. Changing climate, new predators, drive for food, water, shelter, etc.. In a changing ecosystem, you can expect more rapid evolutionary change.

What do you mean when you say "we can find dinosaurs but there is nothing in between"? I'm not sure what that means. No, a salamander never laid a beaver egg lol. And no fish gave birth to an alligator Why would you suspect that? No two modern species will ever give birth to a modern species. No monkey will ever give birth to a human. No fish will ever give birth to a bird. You don't understand how it works.


So I guess that first egg got really super lucky and had the exact right amount of holes in it to transfer oxygen to the "zygote" and carbon dioxide away from it? Not to mention too many holes and it wouldn't be structurally sound enough to stay intact long enough for the "zygote" to gestate to full term. I'm sorry but I don't believe in luck. How many eggs emerged from the primordial soup before luck got one right.....or did it have to be the first one?


And so your statement that no "monkey will give birth to a human"......where are the transitional species? So far as I know none have ever been found except the ones they got caught manufacturing with duck lips and fossilized watermelon rhines. Lol
 
No... No one knows anything about the very first living organism. As I said, there is some speculations. I doubt it was a zygote, and I don't know anything about it's cellular structure. It did not transform over billions of years into human kind, but there were splitting of lineages over and over and over that eventually gave rise to humankind. And there is nothing miraculous about this transition. The miracle is in life itself. Evolution happens very naturally, in fact. Darwin unsuspectingly discovered the route by which God allowed all of us here today.

When God commanded Noah to build the ark He gave instructions about the animals:

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." Gen 6:19-20

Where's the evolution between the account of creation in Gen 1 and the event of the ark Gen 6? There is none! Even later on in the Word:

"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds" 1 Cor 15:39

Where is evolution between Gen 6 and 1 Cor 15? There is none!


 
I'm not sure why you have such problems understanding. Heavens and earth = universe. God created the universe on Day One, but it had no form. It was just some watery mass of matter. Then by Day Two, God had taken that watery mass of matter and gave the universe form. God is the Creator of all things, not the Facilitator of all things. There's a huge difference.

God created everything and said it was good, Did He not? If you look at the Hebrew it says that Earth became, void and full of darkness God is full of light and not darkness. There is no biblical account of God Creating Water, only calling the dry land to appear out of the water that was already there from in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. In the Hebrew the Sun and the Earth are words of permission, the creation of animals and man are words of creation. For out of the dust God formed man and all the living beast. Not so with water or dry land nor with the Sun and Moon.
 
God created everything and said it was good, Did He not? If you look at the Hebrew it says that Earth became, void and full of darkness God is full of light and not darkness. There is no biblical account of God Creating Water, only calling the dry land to appear out of the water that was already there from in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. In the Hebrew the Sun and the Earth are words of permission, the creation of animals and man are words of creation. For out of the dust God formed man and all the living beast. Not so with water or dry land nor with the Sun and Moon.

ya. The gap theory. There are also translations that say...the earth was without form and void.
 
God created everything and said it was good, Did He not? If you look at the Hebrew it says that Earth became, void and full of darkness God is full of light and not darkness. There is no biblical account of God Creating Water, only calling the dry land to appear out of the water that was already there from in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. In the Hebrew the Sun and the Earth are words of permission, the creation of animals and man are words of creation. For out of the dust God formed man and all the living beast. Not so with water or dry land nor with the Sun and Moon.

Nope that's incorrect. The Hebrew when translated correctly means 'Now, the Earth was', not 'Now, the Earth became'.
 
We know that Enoch wrote down a little in his walk with God...

Enoch wrote 366 books, which would be scrolls. First, you are wrong about something. Jesus didn't reference every book in the Torah; just the Pentateuch, plus Isaiah, Jonah, Daniel, and maybe a couple others, but not all of them. Second, your statement that Jesus didn't reference Apocryphal writings because he didn't believe they were authentic is an invalid premise. One doesn't imply the other. You are giving an opinion with no verifying evidence, and putting the stamp of God on it. Third, this is not how you determine whether or not a writing is divinely inspired. You must judge by truth and understanding, and not just if a writing reiterates what is in known scriptures. The Old Testament is a collection of books believed by certain people to be divinely inspired. How did they believe? By the words in the books, not because they were in a collection. For this reason I believe Enoch's works to be authentic, as well as Ezra's. Jesus referenced Isaiah who quoted Enoch. As for the time period, Enoch discusses the "watchers" and their offspring, the "Nephilim". He gives measurement of the height pf the watchers, which I believe is about 20 to 25 feet tall. The Sumerians lived at the same time, and drew pictures of them and wrote about them on walls. They drew wings on them to indicate them to be from the stars. They also said they were giants. How did Enoch know about the Sumerians is 300 bc, when the Sumerians lived 3500 to 4000 bc? He had no archeology available. Enoch gives the first prophecy known, that of the 8th Day, which I know to be the Rapture at the Second Coming. Jesus didn't reference the giants either, but Moses mentions them, and also Joshua records Og of Bashan being captured by Israel. He was 15 feet tall! There are some apocryphal works I don't believe are true. One is the 'Assumption of Mary', I think it's called. BTW, the apocryphal writings of Adam and Eve also give a 5500 year date for the coming of Christ. These are old writings, so why is this number given? It is not the modern day view? I could go on and on, but you get the gist, I think.
 
The gap theory is nothing more than mans attempt to put scripture in agreement with the accepted science.
 
So, when was water created the first day, second day, third day, when?

First day with the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1.1 - 1.2 thus says heavens and the earth in that order. Not the earth and heavens. Gen.1.2 moving over the surface of the waters.. In Palm 136:6 who spread out the earth upon the waters.

of coarse the full manuscript on the complexity of creation isn't given in detail... rightly so we couldn't have a book big enough for that or Brains..
 
It really makes no never mind to me but is an interesting thing to consider. Well, I mean where do evil spirits come from? Did God create them for the sole purpose of disrupting us or were they a part of the Rebellion against God that Lucifer started. I bthink that there was stuff here on Earth before Adam and it is the stuff that scientist are digging up and trying to affix it to our current in habitation of the Earth, therefore the theory of evolution has become the mainstream. The things that they are digging up are from an age that was before Adam. Demons are not fallen angels so where did they come from? I think from the time before Adam when God destroyed them with a flood. I personally think, that gave Lucifer dominion over the Earth and messed it up when He rebelled against God and the beings of the Earth threw in their lot with Satan. Many times the demon spirits would say to Jesus "have you come to torment us before our time". When wre the Angels created? when were the demons created?

It makes know difference, Christ died for our sins on the cross and when we get their we will know all things. If we place our faith in Him. Amen
 
It really makes no never mind to me but is an interesting thing to consider. Well, I mean where do evil spirits come from? Did God create them for the sole purpose of disrupting us or were they a part of the Rebellion against God that Lucifer started. I bthink that there was stuff here on Earth before Adam and it is the stuff that scientist are digging up and trying to affix it to our current in habitation of the Earth, therefore the theory of evolution has become the mainstream. The things that they are digging up are from an age that was before Adam. Demons are not fallen angels so where did they come from? I think from the time before Adam when God destroyed them with a flood. I personally think, that gave Lucifer dominion over the Earth and messed it up when He rebelled against God and the beings of the Earth threw in their lot with Satan. Many times the demon spirits would say to Jesus "have you come to torment us before our time". When wre the Angels created? when were the demons created?

It makes know difference, Christ died for our sins on the cross and when we get their we will know all things. If we place our faith in Him. Amen

God gave Adam and Eve title and deed to the earth to manage and subdue. I believe that satan was jealous that God gave the crown jewel of His creation to these (in his eyes) inferior creatures. Satan was butthurt.
 
So I guess that first egg got really super lucky and had the exact right amount of holes in it to transfer oxygen to the "zygote" and carbon dioxide away from it? Not to mention too many holes and it wouldn't be structurally sound enough to stay intact long enough for the "zygote" to gestate to full term. I'm sorry but I don't believe in luck. How many eggs emerged from the primordial soup before luck got one right.....or did it have to be the first one?


And so your statement that no "monkey will give birth to a human"......where are the transitional species? So far as I know none have ever been found except the ones they got caught manufacturing with duck lips and fossilized watermelon rhines. Lol

Ummm Noooo There was no "first egg". Nothing 'got lucky'. It's a slow gradual process that ended up in what we call "eggs". Females alive today even have a useless yolksac....did you know that? I don't believe in "luck" either... No eggs emerged from any "primordial soup" that I know of..... Nothing got anything "right".

I already answered the question about transitional species...especially pertaining to humans...So why did you bring it up again?