getting dates about a young earth

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I didnt say that. I said there is no info about it.



Not "work some, rest some", but "work six, rest one". Length has no impact on the number. There are 6 eons of earth shaping and life creation in Genesis.

right, I understand you didn't say the eons were different length, but I was considering the possibility of differing lengths.

in your view, can the "work six" be "work a month, then a calendar day, then a week, then an hour", and so on?
 
This is not evidence of anything. Who knows what was intended by what was written. We should see what nature tells us and look at the overwhelming evidence for an old earth. It's multifarious.



It's not just total random assumptions. I admit there are some extrapolations, but again, there is multifarious evidence. It seems to fit the big picture pretty perfectly. But I'm not a geologist. I know more about evolution and biology.

Well then you should understand irreducible complexity. But I suppose that is a fairly tale in your world.
 
that's cool...

what approach do you use to decide if a story is myth or not? if you don't mind sharing it...

Pretty much just science and evidence. I think that if it looks like something is more mythological based on what makes sense of what we see, it must have been mythological. I could be wrong. I don't think it in any way changes that Jesus is Lord. If anything, it just suggests that perhaps we should rethink our interpretations of the Bible and not make assumptions ourselves. God does not lie.
 
Well then you should understand irreducible complexity. But I suppose that is a fairly tale in your world.

I'm familiar with the concept of "irreducible complexity". I don't know if it's true or not. I suppose it is true, because I think God planted life on this earth and then life evolved. I don't know of any life coming from non life. Why would that be fairy tale?
 
I'm familiar with the concept of "irreducible complexity". I don't know if it's true or not. I suppose it is true, because I think God planted life on this earth and then life evolved. I don't know of any life coming from non life. Why would that be fairy tale?

Well if you believe life didn't come from life then you cannot believe in evolution and the big bang.
 
Yes, why should not it?


Probably not, because the age of parenthood was not so interesting any more. Well, actually, Abraham was interesting - 100 years old when having a child. Thats why we have this info in the Bible again. That proves my position on what is purpose of the data - to see extremely high age, not to count something.

If it is interesting for you, there is NO genealogy in the Bible, that is not telescoped. All are. So the one in Genesis would be the only one without gaps.

the reason that format wouldn't fit is that the age at birth doesn't add any information, unless no telescoping is involved... imo.

yes, the age of Abe is given as 100 when he has a child... but that child is a direct decendent.

"If it is interesting for you, there is NO genealogy in the Bible, that is not telescoped."
I think that would be "assuming the conclusion"... if you can show that there are no non-telescoped genealogies in the bible, I'm interested...
 
right, I understand you didn't say the eons were different length, but I was considering the possibility of differing lengths.

in your view, can the "work six" be "work a month, then a calendar day, then a week, then an hour", and so on?

I think you are overthinking Exodus 20 too much. I really dont think the purpose of jewish week was to confirm 24 hours of creation days.
I cant see that in here.

And again - theological view, that does not match the reality around us, has to be wrong. Many people have found proof for almost every imaginable nonsense in the Bible. Real and true theology has to be consistent with all data we have.
 
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We should see what nature tells us...

yes, that's a possible method... use data from nature to interpret the bible... used by many christians.

on the other hand, if the bible is supernatural in origin, then data from the natural world might be misleading.
 
the reason that format wouldn't fit is that the age at birth doesn't add any information, unless no telescoping is involved... imo.

yes, the age of Abe is given as 100 when he has a child... but that child is a direct decendent.

"If it is interesting for you, there is NO genealogy in the Bible, that is not telescoped."
I think that would be "assuming the conclusion"... if you can show that there are no non-telescoped genealogies in the bible, I'm interested...

It does add information - about the high age they lived in that time period.

I can try to find the source about no non-telescoped genealogies. It may take some time.
But again, siting there, talking about two possible explanation of Bible, from which only one fits reality... does not seem right :)
 
If life can't come from anything but life then how did the big bang lead to life?

Who says the Big Bang led to life? I certainly never said that... I also never said non life turns to life... God started life, I'm sure.
 
Who says the Big Bang led to life? I certainly never said that... I also never said non life turns to life... God started life, I'm sure.

Aren't you the one that was saying scientific theory was actually scientific fact?
 
Aren't you the one that was saying scientific theory was actually scientific fact?

"Scientific Theory" is as good as "fact". I'm not aware of any Scientific Theory about abiogenesis. Some scientists may speculate, but there is no grounded theory.
 
Isn't the big bang a scientific theory?

Yes, I believe it is. Though again, the Big Bang does not have anything to do with evolution by natural selection. In fact, evolution doesn't even have anything to do with abiogenesis. The origin of life is a separate question, one answered by God. However, I'm convinced that once God created life, life evolved by slight gradual mutation due to pressures and genetic drift.
 
Isn't the big bang a scientific theory?

What do you have against Big Bang? It proves the Bible.
Actually it is the atheist camp that tries to get rid of Big Bang. But luckily, Big Bang is proved as fact.
 
Yes, I believe it is. Though again, the Big Bang does not have anything to do with evolution by natural selection. In fact, evolution doesn't even have anything to do with abiogenesis. The origin of life is a separate question, one answered by God. However, I'm convinced that once God created life, life evolved by slight gradual mutation due to pressures and genetic drift.

I see....so God initiated the big bang and then created a single celled zygote that miraculously transformed over billions of years into human kind.
 
I see....so God initiated the big bang and then created a single celled zygote that miraculously transformed over billions of years into human kind.

Do you believe Genesis?
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the herb of grass...And the earth brought forth the herb of grass...

It was not creation by "fiat", like "And God said, let there be grass. And there was grass". Genesis says earth produced it.
Very similar to water and land animals mentioned in other creation days.