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Lyndies
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I'm sorry, but isn't that the same thing as saying that there are no such things as "Christians who struggle with being pure outside of marriage", or "no such thing as a Christian who deals with alcoholism"...or any other thing anyone ever deals with? My gosh.
Just because they have this struggle doesn't mean they don't have a heart for God.
My name is Jessie and I have struggles, but guess what?...I am still a Christian. Wouldn't you say the same of yourself?
Again, I mean no offense.
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pancake
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Well... I have something to share if you all don't mind not wigging out. I'm a heterosexual in the making. Yep. That's right! I was gay and now I'm working on it, with God's help of course. ^-^ ... yep...
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Lyndies
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Thank you. :]
So, I take it that you feel it's wrong... How did you personally come to this conclusion?
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ExplodingBryan
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You're right on the money Lyndies. I love it; they totally can still have a "heart for God". Homosexual sin is sin, no different than any other in God's eyes. The difference among sins is the subsequent consequences. So there is such a thing as a gay Christian, a lustful Christian, a lying Christian, a murderous Christian, etc.
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Maya86
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I'm a straight woman and I believe it is completely acceptable for someone to be gay and be Christian. I have a couple of awesome gay friends. They're extremely decent, educated, moral and they're just amazingly pure (to those of you who think you can't be gay AND pure, you need to focus on the true message of the Bible- Love, Light, Compassion)! Knowing them in and out (I'm very close to them and have known them for YEARS), I refuse to believe God won't let them into Heaven just 'cos they're gay! I refuse to believe God created them merely for them to burn in hell. Someone in here said God is perfect and that He doesn't make errors. The Bible says that God knew us even before we were in our mother's wombs. Being gay is therefore definitely NOT an error. How did the homophobic verses get into the Bible then? Simple.. It was editted- everyone knows this- its historically evident. We as Christians need to focus on the true message of the Bible- the message of Christ; the forgiveness; the compassion; the non-judgemental, unconditional love. I'd focus on the uplifting things rather than the things that feeds the ego and causes people to judge and put others down. Unfortunately, the most judgmental people alive today are the church-going folk and they're the ones that blow people up with their judgments. To me, this is no different than being one of those terrorists that blow up places and people. 
I know loads of people in here are going to disagree with me but that isn't going to bother me one bit. I grew so much in faith being with my gay friends and I again, refuse to believe they'll burn in hell or that what they're doing is wrong.
I know loads of people in here are going to disagree with me but that isn't going to bother me one bit. I grew so much in faith being with my gay friends and I again, refuse to believe they'll burn in hell or that what they're doing is wrong.
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Maya86
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ExplodingBryan
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I'm a straight woman and I believe it is completely acceptable for someone to be gay and be Christian. I have a couple of awesome gay friends. They're extremely decent, educated, moral and they're just amazingly pure (to those of you who think you can't be gay AND pure, you need to focus on the true message of the Bible- Love, Light, Compassion)! Knowing them in and out (I'm very close to them and have known them for YEARS), I refuse to believe God won't let them into Heaven just 'cos they're gay! I refuse to believe God created them merely for them to burn in hell. Someone in here said God is perfect and that He doesn't make errors. The Bible says that God knew us even before we were in our mother's wombs. Being gay is therefore definitely NOT an error. How did the homophobic verses get into the Bible then? Simple.. It was editted- everyone knows this- its historically evident. We as Christians need to focus on the true message of the Bible- the message of Christ; the forgiveness; the compassion; the non-judgemental, unconditional love. I'd focus on the uplifting things rather than the things that feeds the ego and causes people to judge and put others down. Unfortunately, the most judgmental people alive today are the church-going folk and they're the ones that blow people up with their judgments. To me, this is no different than being one of those terrorists that blow up places and people.
I know loads of people in here are going to disagree with me but that isn't going to bother me one bit. I grew so much in faith being with my gay friends and I again, refuse to believe they'll burn in hell or that what they're doing is wrong.
I completely agree that the focus should be on love and compassion. I also agree, at least at this moment, that gays won't be cast into hell for their gayness anymore than I will for lying or coveting. The Bible says that believers will be judged by God on our acts to further His kingdom, it is non-believers who will have to answer for their sin. When we are asked, all we need do is point to Jesus.
However, I don't think I can agree that the Bible was "edited" to imply homosexuality is a sin. I find the idea a bit ludicrous, and there's the end of Revelation to consider. This is just so un-plausible.
And for the errors stuff. I saw that comment as well. They aren't wrong about God making errors, but Adam and Eve made an error and so mankind is flawed. It is how we become ill and such tragedies as the death of infants is possible. So God did not create anyone gay. Moreover, gayness isn't from the womb. It may not often be an intentional choice, but it comes from some Earthly source, not God. It might be poor parenting, influence, who knows? We do know it's not from God and it is sin. We are also commanded to point out the sin of our brothers and sisters in Christ. But I do still agree that love and compassion are first and foremost.
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Lyndies
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, to all that are saying compassion and love are what really matter. Definitely. 
And with whether or not God makes people to be gay--I have no idea. I'll ask Him.
But I have heard that it's something that is decided in the womb and I have heard that it's from life experiences early-on. But maybe it doesn't matter so much which one it is....
And with whether or not God makes people to be gay--I have no idea. I'll ask Him.
But I have heard that it's something that is decided in the womb and I have heard that it's from life experiences early-on. But maybe it doesn't matter so much which one it is....
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ExplodingBryan
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, to all that are saying compassion and love are what really matter. Definitely.
And with whether or not God makes people to be gay--I have no idea. I'll ask Him.
I think I understand why you're saying "maybe it doesn't matter so much which one it is", that we have more important things to focus on, while I agree, this still needs time in a general sense because we are told to point out the sins of fellow believers so we all have a better walk with God. (*phew* long sentence)
It is important to understand that homosexuality isn't a trait decided in the womb, no more than murderers or rapists (I'm not trying to imply here that homosexuals are as evil as murderers and rapists, just that they tend to be psychologically rooted). Homosexuality often is the result of a choice (some DO choose it) or from a traumatic experience (or multiple ones) that has altered their view of relationships. Both of these conditions can be addressed, just like sin.
Also, if we allow ourselves to believe homosexuality is decided in the womb, we saying God encourages it, which the Bible contradicts. I would prefer to have the best understanding of God that I can and to help my brothers and sisters remove as much sin between them and God as possible.
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Dread_Zeppelin
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Firstly the Bible clearly condones gay love--anyone who argues otherwise doesn't read their Bible.
With that said it doesn't mean that gay people dont struggle with their gay indentity, I fully believe that if they love God enough and allow Him to change their hearts that they can become straight again. I knew someone who I loved dearly who struggled with this, she was a Christian who struggled with homosexuality...but she never acted on it as far as I know and I dont love her any less as a person and I'm not one to judge. Frankly, Christians, it's none of my business but I'll pray for that person. Theres no point in casting stones for her personal sexual life.
I equate homosexuality with addiction. If you can't stop shooting heroin and you received Christ as our savior are you going to heaven? Sure if you truely accepted Christ. Will this addiction harm your walk and destory you? Yup. Will you struggle with it all your life? Maybe. Am I still going to call addiction a sin? Absolutely, and so should any Christian.
With that said it doesn't mean that gay people dont struggle with their gay indentity, I fully believe that if they love God enough and allow Him to change their hearts that they can become straight again. I knew someone who I loved dearly who struggled with this, she was a Christian who struggled with homosexuality...but she never acted on it as far as I know and I dont love her any less as a person and I'm not one to judge. Frankly, Christians, it's none of my business but I'll pray for that person. Theres no point in casting stones for her personal sexual life.
I equate homosexuality with addiction. If you can't stop shooting heroin and you received Christ as our savior are you going to heaven? Sure if you truely accepted Christ. Will this addiction harm your walk and destory you? Yup. Will you struggle with it all your life? Maybe. Am I still going to call addiction a sin? Absolutely, and so should any Christian.
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Lyndies
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Thanks for saying so. :] Brave (with what a couple people have been saying).
I am very curious to hear your personal story if you ever want to share. You could send me a pm if you want.
I have a lot to say about this subject.
First, I have a background in psychology, and research is coming out that SOMETIMES homosexuality is biologically deteremined. For example, a pregnant woman who is under a lot of stress during her pregnancy will have waves of testosterone washing over the baby--now if that baby is a girl, she is more likely to be born with gender identity disorder. Her choice? I think not. A result of sin? Absolutely! Also, homosexuality runs in families--evidence to the "nature" side of the controversy. Still, though, and deviation from perfection is not part of God's plan, and he certainly is not pleased with gay-bashing, discrimination, isolation, low self-esteem, etc. etc. and all the other difficulties that result from homosexuality.
On the other hand, our sex-laden culture has desensitized people to sex and homosexuality, and more and more young people are "experimenting" with homosexual behavior and deciding that they are "gay" or "bi". This is a problem with our cultural media.
The reality is that one verse is repeated 5 times in the Bible. It is "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife. And they will become one flesh." That is where God draws the line. When we start pushing the line we end up with promiscuous sex, orgies, pedophilia, incest, homosexuality, beastiality, etc. etc. etc. THIS IS WHERE GOD DRAWS THE LINE, AND HE DRAWS IT THERE FOR GOOD REASON!!!
With that said... I do not take it upon myself to preach this message to homosexuals. (I am only posting it here because I think my perspective is a little different than the "standard" answer, and I thought you all might be interested in my take.) The message I preach to homosexuals, liars, cheaters, murders, rapists, drug addicts and sinners of all kinds is that Christ LOVES them and wants desperately to have a relationship with them!!! Any person who does not know Christ must be told this message first and foremost: Christ died for you because he loves you!
As for a person being a "gay" christian, I am thrilled that a gay person feels courageous enough to face the "lions" in church who can be hateful and persecutory towards them--and I know there are many
Personally I don't take it upon myself to preach to them about the "wrongness" of their lifestyle UNLESS they are acting promiscuously and not in the manner befitting to a Christian. If they are in a "healthy" relationship with a same-sex partner, I will leave it to God to convict their heart. Maybe we will have conversations about it, but I do not take it upon myself to do the work of the Holy Spirit.
Thanks for reading all this. Be blessed
First, I have a background in psychology, and research is coming out that SOMETIMES homosexuality is biologically deteremined. For example, a pregnant woman who is under a lot of stress during her pregnancy will have waves of testosterone washing over the baby--now if that baby is a girl, she is more likely to be born with gender identity disorder. Her choice? I think not. A result of sin? Absolutely! Also, homosexuality runs in families--evidence to the "nature" side of the controversy. Still, though, and deviation from perfection is not part of God's plan, and he certainly is not pleased with gay-bashing, discrimination, isolation, low self-esteem, etc. etc. and all the other difficulties that result from homosexuality.
On the other hand, our sex-laden culture has desensitized people to sex and homosexuality, and more and more young people are "experimenting" with homosexual behavior and deciding that they are "gay" or "bi". This is a problem with our cultural media.
The reality is that one verse is repeated 5 times in the Bible. It is "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife. And they will become one flesh." That is where God draws the line. When we start pushing the line we end up with promiscuous sex, orgies, pedophilia, incest, homosexuality, beastiality, etc. etc. etc. THIS IS WHERE GOD DRAWS THE LINE, AND HE DRAWS IT THERE FOR GOOD REASON!!!
With that said... I do not take it upon myself to preach this message to homosexuals. (I am only posting it here because I think my perspective is a little different than the "standard" answer, and I thought you all might be interested in my take.) The message I preach to homosexuals, liars, cheaters, murders, rapists, drug addicts and sinners of all kinds is that Christ LOVES them and wants desperately to have a relationship with them!!! Any person who does not know Christ must be told this message first and foremost: Christ died for you because he loves you!
As for a person being a "gay" christian, I am thrilled that a gay person feels courageous enough to face the "lions" in church who can be hateful and persecutory towards them--and I know there are many
Personally I don't take it upon myself to preach to them about the "wrongness" of their lifestyle UNLESS they are acting promiscuously and not in the manner befitting to a Christian. If they are in a "healthy" relationship with a same-sex partner, I will leave it to God to convict their heart. Maybe we will have conversations about it, but I do not take it upon myself to do the work of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for reading all this. Be blessed
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Musilany
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Of course we are suppose to love everyone and is by loving them that we should tell them the truth, which is that homosexuality is a sin...We sould be senisitive when we tell them that but dont try to justify their sin...And I don't know how people can say that homosexuality is not a sin, its all over the bible and is very very clea, there is absolutely no excuse....
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Musilany
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My cousin was gay before he accepted jesus, and he did struggle at first But the Lord healed. Now he is happily married with a women and he became a pastor...Nothing is impossible for God...The bible says that God confused their hearts because of their disobedience but it also says that if they turn from their evil ways and repent that God will heal them, and my cusin is a proof of that.
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AgeofKnowledge
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(1) The Biblical Design for Human Sexuality http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/sexuality.html
(2) Genetics and Homosexuality http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/genetics_of_homosexuality.html
(2) Genetics and Homosexuality http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/genetics_of_homosexuality.html
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jimmydiggs
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Sometimes there are many factors to someone becoming homosexual, it is the argument of nature vs. nurture. A child raised in a house without a father figure is more likely to "go down that road", than one who has not. Atleast that is my observation. It's not applicable to each person though. Some chose, some don't. Some people are just always a bit different. I don't know how to answer the occurance of it for sure.
I don't think you should treat someone with some of the hate I have seen. If you have a friend who is gay, don't sever ties right away and cast them into the ever-lasting pit of nothingness. I have friends that are atheist. We agree to disagree. No further discussions of the matter.
I don't think you should treat someone with some of the hate I have seen. If you have a friend who is gay, don't sever ties right away and cast them into the ever-lasting pit of nothingness. I have friends that are atheist. We agree to disagree. No further discussions of the matter.