Galatian Conundrums

[PS]

...you mean that peter preached another gospel?

Anyone who thinks that is confused.

 

[Absolutely]

Paul said it was his gospel. No other new testament writer did that.


Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

1 Timothy 1:11
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2 Timothy 2:8
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel

That certainly does not prove your point.
You HAVE TO START your doctrine with the ASSUMPTION there are 2 gospels.

THEN your deal "comes together"

But paul cursed anyone preaching another gospel.

Your idea of the false gospel of the apostles and Jesus is PURE HERESY

 

[Absolutely]

Anyone who thinks that is confused.

That is ricks and gojings position

 

[PS]

ἀλλὰ τοὐναντίον ἰδόντες ὅτι πεπίστευμαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς ἀκροβυστίας καθὼς Πέτρος τῆς περιτομῆς

It's all Greek to me.

 

[Absolutely]

One thing I dislike about CC is that people come here and will not say what they truly believe. For instance, I don't believe OSAS, but most people that believe that here will say up front that is what they believe. Some will even say they agree/disagree with parts of tulip and explain that. I appreciate people who are up front with what they believe. Otherwise are you afraid to name it? Quit blowin at the fur and get to the hide for pity sake. I'd give these people a tiny bit of respect if they were honest about what they believe.

My thread that cc shut down stuck their noses in what they,Rick and Gojing, cunningly disguise.

Several members got to see what is their root.

 

[PS]

That is ricks and gojings position

Good luck to them. The Gospel is "Jesus is the Saviour of the whole world."

 

[Absolutely]

One thing I dislike about CC is that people come here and will not say what they truly believe. For instance, I don't believe OSAS, but most people that believe that here will say up front that is what they believe. Some will even say they agree/disagree with parts of tulip and explain that. I appreciate people who are up front with what they believe. Otherwise are you afraid to name it? Quit blowin at the fur and get to the hide for pity sake. I'd give these people a tiny bit of respect if they were honest about what they believe.

Start a thread titled
"IS THERE A SECOND GOSPEL THAT PAUL FORGETS TO CURSE"
OR
"DID PETER,JOHN JAMES AND JESUS PREACH ADHERENCE TO THE LAW AS THEIR GOSPEL?"

this "galations conundrum" is their crafty under the radar dance to present their "higher intelligence" bible modification.
It has so many red flags they look like flagmen on a aircraft carrier.

 

[Absolutely]

Cornelius was a Roman gentile.

Peter says he was sent to gentiles,

Paul says Peter was not sent to gentiles.

Galatians 2:7-9, " 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."

This is the wrong platform to question Paul's diety...lol

 

[RickStudies]

She is not of your camp.
It is difficult to see your level of bible confusion and stay lovie dovie.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

 

[PS]

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Jesus also said to let the blind lead the blind, and to shake the dust from off our feet. Trouble is some are neither blind or ignorant, instead they preach a false gospel.

 

[RickStudies]

Start a thread titled
"IS THERE A SECOND GOSPEL THAT PAUL FORGETS TO CURSE"
OR
"DID PETER,JOHN JAMES AND JESUS PREACH ADHERENCE TO THE LAW AS THEIR GOSPEL?"

this "galations conundrum" is their crafty under the radar dance to present their "higher intelligence" bible modification.
It has so many red flags they look like flagmen on a aircraft carrier.

Unless prophectic symbolism is present I only do literal interpretation of the scripture. I`m quite strict about that.

Only one here doing Bible modification is you and your cronies.

 

[RickStudies]

Jesus also said to let the blind lead the blind, and to shake the dust from off our feet. Trouble is some are neither blind or ignorant, instead they preach a false gospel.

Well maybe God will forgive you for your erroneous OT views. I hope He does.

 

[PS]

Well maybe God will forgive you for your erroneous OT views. I hope He does.

Moses/Judaism does not cleanse us of our sin.

 

[Jimbone]

There isn`t much to spell. There is a gospel found that instructs to follow Moses Law and one that doesn`t.

I honestly think the only problem you have here making your case, is just the way you're saying it. I agree with you and Christians love the law, and by His power we now desire to follow our King's example in everything we do, but the burden of the law has been lifted in Christ, we now seek to follow the law, God's nature and Jesus living example. We are not under the law, nor "must" we keep it, but now it's His Spirit in us that leads us to all truth, and empowers us and guides us to become closer images of our King, here on earth. Being born again is just the start of this journey and the only way we can ever live in a way that is pleasing to our Father. I think this is really another case of two people saying the same thing different ways and going way overboard with it. Just my perspective after reading the last few pages. Anyway everyone have a great day.

 

[Shekinahglory]

What kind of a group do you belong to?

Peter preached another kind or manner of signs ? How many sins are forgiven with it? Not enough to be justified??



As always God must do the first works that do work in us to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness. Repentance is a work of God that he works in us to both will and do his good pleasure

Water baptism is an old testament ceremonial law (shadow of Jesus to come) used when a new priest entered the ministry. It was changed when Jesus from the tribe of Judah starting baptizing . No longer after a Levi alone now after any nation men and woman priest.A kingdom of priest as ambassadors sent from a foreign land not here. But where the believer have their citizenship and birth records. The heavenly Jerusalem not seen



Getting circumcised is an old testament ceremonial law as a shadow. It was fulfilled in Christ our bloody husband . It was used to represent the first born the Son of God.

It is clearly seen in the parable/ figure below.. Used a gentile woman to prevent God from kiling Moses for not honoring God's first Son the Son of God.

And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4:23-26

All of the old testament ceremonial laws where used as a way of preaching the gospel that did looked ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did come. The graves were opened.

The old testement born again Jew (inward ) and not in respect to the flesh(outward Jew). They received the end of the work of faith that worked in them from the beginning just as us today

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, (our bloody husband) and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:11 9-11

I would offer. Its the same gospel whether in respect to or not a heathen Jew (not born again) hears it by the faith of Christ working in them , or a gentile heathen . (not born again) hears it as the Holy Spirit give them ears to make it possible to believe.

Sent them to different locations. Its does not mean either one of them could not be used to bring the gospel to either group when in a mixed situation. It has to do with the gospel not flesh and blood. Not after any man

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ .Galatians 1:11-12

Paul wanted to put this monster to death that it would never come back to haunt the Church in her future. But there are Judaizers in every generation and come in all kinds of forms. Paul made it very simple and after his salute Paul wrote this: Ga; "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

Pervert is not what we understand it to mean in our day. The word pervert used here means for something that was headed in the right direction is taken and not only stop from continuing in the right direction but they turn it back on itself heading in the wrong direction. Going the way of anyone who changes this direction really needs to be sure about what they are doing.

 

[RickStudies]

I honestly think the only problem you have here making your case, is just the way you're saying it. I agree with you and Christians love the law, and by His power we now desire to follow our King's example in everything we do, but the burden of the law has been lifted in Christ, we now seek to follow the law, God's nature and Jesus living example. We are not under the law, nor "must" we keep it, but now it's His Spirit in us that leads us to all truth, and empowers us and guides us to become closer images of our King, here on earth. Being born again is just the start of this journey and the only way we can ever live in a way that is pleasing to our Father. I think this is really another case of two people saying the same thing different ways and going way overboard with it. Just my perspective after reading the last few pages. Anyway everyone have a great day.

You`d have to read more then a few pages to understand this debacle but thx for being nice.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

A lot pf purity and truth there.
Enter the paulimes to muddy it up with "all they did was preach the wrong gospel,but thankfully paul had the correct one"

Well we know Jesus words are what we follow, that they are the standard and will not pass.

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 14:6, "Jesus proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Psalms 2:1-12, " 1 Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying, 3 “Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.” 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision. 5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying, 6 “As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.” 7 I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.” 10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

This is the wrong platform to question Paul's diety...lol

I laughed a bit when I read that. Seems many today are making Paul a kind of "Mary of the Rcc"

John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

 

[garee]

Paul wanted to put this monster to death that it would never come back to haunt the Church in her future. But there are Judaizers in every generation and come in all kinds of forms. Paul made it very simple and after his salute Paul wrote this: Ga; "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

Pervert is not what we understand it to mean in our day. The word pervert used here means for something that was headed in the right direction is taken and not only stop from continuing in the right direction but they turn it back on itself heading in the wrong direction. Going the way of anyone who changes this direction really needs to be sure about what they are doing.

Not sure how that relates to what I wrote?

Put what monster to death that it would never come back to haunt the Church in her future

 

[garee]

Unless prophectic symbolism is present I only do literal interpretation of the scripture. I`m quite strict about that.

Only one here doing Bible modification is you and your cronies.

What would be the difference between what you call "prophetic symbolism" and "literal interpretation" of the scripture?

Is "prophetic symbolism" the signified language of parables and "literal interpretation" the letter of the law ?