Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists

[Everlasting-Grace]

Paul said 'will be'; future tense. You shouldn't have a problem with that. That's simply taking God at his word

Paul said has been saved

eph 2: 8 have been saved (perfect tense)

romans 8 we were saved in this hope

1 tim 1: 9 who has saved us

titus 3. Not by good deeds we have done, but by his mercy he saved us

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes......Faith in being convinced of something that is true. Faith isn't blind. Faith has an object that we know and are convinced of its truth.

We don't just wake up one day and have faith. Faith comes from a truth that we are convinced of......This may take days or years.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not seen

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Correct. Faith vs works and grace vs debt

no grace through faith

or debt through works.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Paul's talking about the election that is of grace, not works

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:5-6​

what is he talking about here/

Being saved eternally.

or just some election

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul said has been saved
eph 2: 8 have been saved (perfect tense)
romans 8 we were saved in this hope
1 tim 1: 9 who has saved us
titus 3. Not by good deeds we have done, but by his mercy he saved us

I really don't feel like spending the time going through these to check them.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why did Paul even write letters if he didn't believe that he didn't need to do any more work?

um he wrote them to correct a bunch of false teachers. and to help teach his flock

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

what is he talking about here/

Being saved eternally.

or just some election

It says exactly what it says: the election is of grace

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You are being saved from the wrath because Christ paid your debt

you just made my point for me..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, I meant would you please explain in your own words what Paul meant in that one specific verse, not in a roundabout way with other verses

um, I used the other verses to get context.

you do not do this? You can not get the meaning of any verse by just plucking it out of the bible (the bible was not even written in verse form)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I really don't feel like spending the time going through these to check them.

You can;t read them as posted

what do you need to check, I just posted the very scripture

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It says exactly what it says: the election is of grace

yes.

the election of any type in Gods way is of grace.

You deserve death. so anything you recieve is of Grace.

if your trying to work for it. You deny grace, reject it, and incure more debt (the wage of sin is death)

How many death sentences (sins) do you have in your lifte time

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

um, I used the other verses to get context.

you do not do this? You can not get the meaning of any verse by just plucking it out of the bible (the bible was not even written in verse form)

If you can't explain it then you're just avoiding it because it contradicts what you believe. Paul used saved in the future tense, ie you will be saved by doing such and such

 

[Eli1]

He's referring to the elect's justification by works of the law. Has nothing to do with any work we might do staying on the straight path

Ah okay.
Confusing language again

 

[Kroogz]

I urge you (and everyone) to start at the beginning. It will only take perhaps 10 or 20 hours of your time.
Once you TRULY understand what is ACTUALLY going on here.........bye bye false doctrines and Calvinite-ism.

Adam And Eve... What really happened?

1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think

Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?

Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear

Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought

Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?

Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?

Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?

Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this

Ok. I just listened to Adam and Eve......what really happened. All I can say is ,Holy sh............! I am IN.

 

[Kroogz]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not seen

Not seen.........but known. His word. His witnesses.

 

[lrs68]

Faith always has an object and that is why those that mock "believing" as being insufficient to save always leave out that it is in whom we place our faith that saves and yes it is the condition that God sets.

Amen!

 

[lrs68]

My friend, I cannot tell you how many "Churches" that I was forced to depart from.
Some were such a joke that mere words cannot describe.

And guess what.....I know my God and my Bible better than EVER.
Far far more than I would have stuck in a brackish backwater wanna-be Church.
And my advice to you is: when you start getting the willies and your conscience is on high alert, just go and don't look back.

I credit Chronister for my freedom BTW. The man is an analytical genius. He actually "gets it".

And now.....so do I.
The rub is.....now I am quite aware that far too many others DO NOT.

Amen!

 

[lrs68]

We have faith in many different things in life, people, things, concepts, do you think this is some extraordinary different type of faith?

To believe in Santa is a faith that children have and we are to be as children in our faith towards God.

 

[lrs68]

I took it out of the passage. It is not my believe, it is what Paul said.. It concerns spiritual gifts. Not salvation (I even quoted the whole passage)

But Paul said it generally as people have the faith in order to believe.

Ephesians 2 says God comes to us and by our faith we believe. It doesn't say when God comes to us He gives us faith. It says we believe by faith meaning we have the faith already.

 

[lrs68]

I learned to just stick to the word. All churches have issues. we should not be followers of men

Amen!