If your looking out of an airplane , it’s a fish eye lens... just sayin
Where did you get the idea that it would be a "rough oval" shape -- why would it not be round? (like a big dot)In the North-centric flat earth model, the sun allegedly moves in a circular path about 3000 miles above the surface, creating a rough oval of light on the surface, outside of which there is darkness.
So --- are you saying that the sunlight follows the curvature of the earth for thousands of miles???Easily. Sunrise and sunset, at which times the sunlight is going almost laterally through thousands of miles of low atmosphere.
Exactly. So enough matter, whether it be cloud, vapour or atmosphere, will prevent sunlight coming through.Your point? The sun is not seen through heavy cloud either, and when there is heavy cloud, it is less bright at the earth's surface than above the clouds.
Not according to Flat Earth theory. Sunrise and sunset occur because the sun is at the point where just a little bit more atmosphere will block it completely. You see the top of the sun first during a sunrise, and last during sun set, because the atmosphere is denser toward the Earth's surface.Easily. Sunrise and sunset, at which times the sunlight is going almost laterally through thousands of miles of low atmosphere.
Not according to Flat Earth theory. Sunrise and sunset occur because the sun is at the point where just a little bit more atmosphere will block it completely. You see the top of the sun first during a sunrise, and last during sun set, because the atmosphere is denser toward the Earth's surface.
The sun does indeed sometimes set slightly above the horizon. Why would it set above the horizon, if due to the rotation of the Earth?In your schema the sun would appear to set above the horizon, not at the horizon. Every eye on earth can see that you are wrong.
This is dependent on the height and distance of the sun. Lower height and further distance would mean lower angle.I worked out the math in a different thread. If what you are proposing is true the sun would never appear to be below about 25° above the horizon, even disregarding any supposed atmospheric obstruction that would render it invisible.
You do realise that for a number of months every year, the sun is visible in the north around midnight?That's just the angle from of it at constant altitude from the furthest possible observing distance on a flat planet. It would never set and it would be visible in the north around midnight.
If the stars are farther away from us at night than the sun, why then do we see the stars?Plus, the fact that I can see stars - which we agree are farther away from us than the sun ever is - on the horizon blows up your whole argument event without doing any math.
Flat Earth theory is only a theory, just like the theory of gravity. It is likewise my opinion that the theory of gravity is an obvious lie. But we each have our scientific prejudices.IMO you are senseless and spreading obvious lies.
Is there a consensus among those who believe the earth is a globe and those who believe the earth is not a globe as to some of the longest distances we can see between land masses?In your schema the sun would appear to set above the horizon, not at the horizon. Every eye on earth can see that you are wrong.
I worked out the math in a different thread. If what you are proposing is true the sun would never appear to be below about 25° above the horizon, even disregarding any supposed atmospheric obstruction that would render it invisible. That's just the angle of it at constant altitude from the furthest possible observing distance on a flat planet. It would never set and it would be visible in the north around midnight.
Plus, the fact that I can see stars - which we agree are farther away from us than the sun ever is - on the horizon blows up your whole argument event without doing any math.
IMO you are senseless and spreading obvious lies.
You're going to have to provide evidence for this assertion before we proceed. I think you're smoking something that God didn't intend for you to smoke.The sun does indeed sometimes set slightly above the horizon.
What do you believe are some of the longest distances we can see between land masses?You're going to have to provide evidence for this assertion before we proceed. I think you're smoking something that God didn't intend for you to smoke.
Well over 100 miles. That said, your question strikes me as bait for an argument.What do you believe are some of the longest distances we can see between land masses?
Yawn. Hundreds of miles then.So --- are you saying that the sunlight follows the curvature of the earth for thousands of miles???
A direct-line path from sun to terminator line doesn't go through [anywhere close to] that much low atmosphere.
thousands = at least 2000
That only exists in the Flat Earth model.
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How many miles up do you consider to be the top of the lower atmosphere?Yawn. Hundreds of miles then.
You said we can see well over 100 miles; I am not disagreeing with you.Well over 100 miles. That said, your question strikes me as bait for an argument.
If I recall the data correctly, somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 feet up, which is about 12 to 19 miles.How many miles up do you consider to be the top of the lower atmosphere?
Ships only fall off the [edge of the] earth in the imaginations of Ball Earth people. Flat Earth people know that the oceans are surrounded and contained by a 200-foot-high wall of ice (referred to as the "ice ring") that extends outward in all directions for at least hundreds - and possibly thousands - of miles.I have a simple question.... I took a cruise once from America to South Africa (in my mind) but I did not fall of the Earth when we got to the "side" we just kept going.... like all all of the other cruise ships DON"T in real life.... WHY?
Further to the above from GaryA - America and South Africa don't lie on the "edge". If you visualise the Earth as a flat plate, with America and South Africa somewhere between the hub and the rim, you will understand you do not need to cross the edge of the plate to get from one to the other.I have a simple question.... I took a cruise once from America to South Africa (in my mind) but I did not fall of the Earth when we got to the "side" we just kept going.... like all all of the other cruise ships DON"T in real life.... WHY?
Ships only fall off the [edge of the] earth in the imaginations of Ball Earth people. Flat Earth people know that the oceans are surrounded and contained by a 200-foot-high wall of ice (referred to as the "ice ring") that extends outward in all directions for at least hundreds - and possibly thousands - of miles.
If you open your eyes and watch the real-world sunset, you will understand that your visualization is a waste of time.If you visualise the Earth as a flat plate... you will understand...