FLAT EARTH

[lukeabers]

I just asked... thank you for answering and making it clear. How can I understand if I do not ask?

Ok, great. Let's rewind a bit. You need a crash course in science and in Biblical reading.

Let us start with the beginning. How's your Hebrew?

 

[posthuman]

...you are just making it up as you go, huh? Putting a dash in God may make you feel pious, but it certainly does not lead you to wisdom. God is not light, God created light.

there is a light that is not made of photons

 

[lukeabers]

there is a light that is not made of photons

Words have meaning. So, this better be good.

Well, so...? What are you talking about...

 

[posthuman]

I think this might be a joke ... And I do not know the answer if it is or even if it's not... But thinking about it... Alaska basically has 6 mo light and 6mo dark... each day light increasing by so minuets…


Because G-d is light and it increases every day not darkness....

not a joke ((altho you are right much of the time my jokes are so bad few people even realize they are jokes.. may have something to do with my delivery? lol))

look at it this way,
the Hebrews kept a lunar calendar. a month begins with the new moon.
but add 12 moons together and they do not equal one year according to the sun ((??)) -- why is that?
shouldn't it match?

and to make matters even stranger, one lunar month isn't exactly 30 days, it isn't 29 days, not 29.5 days.
it's on average 29.5306 days -- and that number isn't even precise, it's an average -- it can vary lunar-month-to-lunar-month by quite a bit

same with the sun -- it's not 360 days. it's not 365 days. it's not even 365.2422 days -- that's also an average number that currently varies by something like +- 1/2 a day!

wouldn't i expect it to be a stable number?
wouldn't i expect the moon-time and the sun-time to be related to each other in some rational-number, invariant way, since it's what God appointed as clocks for us?

is it just because i love math? i don't think so -- i believe God loves math, too. He created it.

i asked a very knowledgeable and insightful teacher about this, and his answer was: consider entropy + think about Genesis 3

 

[posthuman]

Words have meaning. So, this better be good.

Well, so...? What are you talking about...

"meaning" isn't a physical property

((therefore science can never "explain" anything - only describe physics in terms of other physics, and all in the language of math))

think about it; God, who is light and in whom there is no darkness, created photons. THE LIGHT said, "let there be light"
we're not talking about physics when we say God is light

 

[lukeabers]

not a joke ((altho you are right much of the time my jokes are so bad few people even realize they are jokes.. may have something to do with my delivery? lol))

look at it this way,
the Hebrews kept a lunar calendar. a month begins with the new moon.
but add 12 moons together and they do not equal one year according to the sun ((??)) -- why is that?
shouldn't it match?

and to make matters even stranger, one lunar month isn't exactly 30 days, it isn't 29 days, not 29.5 days.
it's on average 29.5306 days -- and that number isn't even precise, it's an average -- it can vary lunar-month-to-lunar-month by quite a bit

same with the sun -- it's not 360 days. it's not 365 days. it's not even 365.2422 days -- that's also an average number that currently varies by something like +- 1/2 a day!

wouldn't i expect it to be a stable number?
wouldn't i expect the moon-time and the sun-time to be related to each other in some rational-number, invariant way, since it's what God appointed as clocks for us?

is it just because i love math? i don't think so -- i believe God loves math, too. He created it.

i asked a very knowledgeable and insightful teacher about this, and his answer was: consider entropy + think about Genesis 3

Can you elaborate? Sounds intriguing...

 

[lukeabers]

"meaning" isn't a physical property

((therefore science can never "explain" anything - only describe physics in terms of other physics, and all in the language of math))

Oooh, a thinker. What if, meaning was actually all there was and you simple denote the meaning of 'physical' to a subset of that which is?

 

[posthuman]

Can you elaborate? Sounds intriguing...

elaborate on which part?

 

[lukeabers]

elaborate on which part?

Entropy and Genesis 3. And, do you actually know what entropy is, or do you just have a pop-sci version of it memorized?

 

[cv5]

what are the ± tolerances?

"Time" is co-dependent on at least 5 factors.
Correction:
"Mass" is co-dependent on at least 5 factors.
Sorry was multi-tasking. Just noticed this in passing.

 

[posthuman]

Entropy and Genesis 3. And, do you actually know what entropy is, or do you just have a pop-sci version of it memorized?

i realize that you pooh-pooh formal education sometimes, and i am not trying to boast but to answer your question with justification - i have a masters in math, 2 BS in physics and in math, and a BA in art. i'm halfway through a phd. yes; i have more than a cursory understanding of entropy.

the pastor/teacher i asked about didn't elaborate a whole lot. that's his way; he mostly just asks questions. pertinent ones. that's why i like him. but i can gather enough to see that what he is hinting at is the idea that earth was cursed for Adam's sake & that has a lot more to it than the presence of thorns and the difficulty in growing carrots. he's suggesting that entropy is part of the curse upon the creation, for which it groans in earnest expectation of the appearing of the children of God. and that this accounts for the discrepancy between solar/lunar cycles and between the Hebrew 30-day month, 360-day year religious calendar and the observed lunar/solar month/year. there's something to that, i mean, both lunar and terrestrial orbits are observed to be in a state of degeneracy. 'the better student can calculate' a time estimate for how long it has been since the earth was in a 30-day month, 360-day year orbit. i haven't actually done that calculation. but if this is so, then there are a lot more implications about cosmology than the earth & moons respective orbital periods.

i should write that guy back some time lol

 

[cv5]

i realize that you pooh-pooh formal education sometimes, and i am not trying to boast but to answer your question with justification - i have a masters in math, 2 BS in physics and in math, and a BA in art. i'm halfway through a phd. yes; i have more than a cursory understanding of entropy.

the pastor/teacher i asked about didn't elaborate a whole lot. that's his way; he mostly just asks questions. pertinent ones. that's why i like him. but i can gather enough to see that what he is hinting at is the idea that earth was cursed for Adam's sake & that has a lot more to it than the presence of thorns and the difficulty in growing carrots. he's suggesting that entropy is part of the curse upon the creation, for which it groans in earnest expectation of the appearing of the children of God. and that this accounts for the discrepancy between solar/lunar cycles and between the Hebrew 30-day month, 360-day year religious calendar and the observed lunar/solar month/year. there's something to that, i mean, both lunar and terrestrial orbits are observed to be in a state of degeneracy. 'the better student can calculate' a time estimate for how long it has been since the earth was in a 30-day month, 360-day year orbit. i haven't actually done that calculation. but if this is so, then there are a lot more implications about cosmology than the earth & moons respective orbital periods.

i should write that guy back some time lol

he's suggesting that entropy is part of the curse

The late Chuck Missler concurs. My guess is that yes, the original cycle was precisely 360. And given the stupendous signs in the heavens preceding the coming of Christ Jesus, that this error will be rectified.

 

[cv5]

not a joke ((altho you are right much of the time my jokes are so bad few people even realize they are jokes.. may have something to do with my delivery? lol))

look at it this way,
the Hebrews kept a lunar calendar. a month begins with the new moon.
but add 12 moons together and they do not equal one year according to the sun ((??)) -- why is that?
shouldn't it match?

and to make matters even stranger, one lunar month isn't exactly 30 days, it isn't 29 days, not 29.5 days.
it's on average 29.5306 days -- and that number isn't even precise, it's an average -- it can vary lunar-month-to-lunar-month by quite a bit

same with the sun -- it's not 360 days. it's not 365 days. it's not even 365.2422 days -- that's also an average number that currently varies by something like +- 1/2 a day!

wouldn't i expect it to be a stable number?
wouldn't i expect the moon-time and the sun-time to be related to each other in some rational-number, invariant way, since it's what God appointed as clocks for us?

is it just because i love math? i don't think so -- i believe God loves math, too. He created it.

i asked a very knowledgeable and insightful teacher about this, and his answer was: consider entropy + think about Genesis 3

These "orbits" so called are in reality unfathomably complex helical structures, with all kinds of retardation, constructive and destructive resonance etc etc.

Super duper complex. And all of this (all of what we perceive as reality) is explicate conjugate field perturbation modalities interplaying between the magnetic (space) from the dielectric (counterspace).

Yes. Close enough.

 

[posthuman]

he's suggesting that entropy is part of the curse

The late Chuck Missler concurs. My guess is that yes, the original cycle was precisely 360. And given the stupendous signs in the heavens preceding the coming of Christ Jesus, that this error will be rectified.

Steve ((the guy who pointed me in this direction)) didn't fully answer my questions about the subject by pointing me at the existence of entropy & the meaning of Genesis 3. that's OK, he's trying to teach me to find answers on my own. his job is just to help me ask the right questions and to reinforce the truth.

another part of my inquiry is why God made the great light which governs the night - by reflection - such that it is not in sync with the great light which governs the day - by primacy of emitting photons. which is to ask, by extension, given he's correct about the cause, what is the meaning of entropy?
what is the 'sign' in the heavens which consists of a night/darkness/reflection-clock out of step with a day/light/originator clock telling us?

 

[posthuman]

These "orbits" so called are in reality unfathomably complex helical structures, with all kinds of retardation, constructive and destructive resonance etc etc.

Super duper complex. And all of this (all of what we perceive as reality) is explicate conjugate field perturbation modalities interplaying between the magnetic (space) from the dielectric (counterspace).

Yes. Close enough.

you don't really have to calculate any of the helical properties ((in terms of dimensional variables, that is - in terms of time series, yes)) in order to plot trajectories for a craft making inter-system journeys because it would be experiencing the same inertia that the rest of the solar system does, and to calculate orbits of bodies within the system, particularly with reference from the face of the earth, you don't need that information either.

what you're doing is approximate; of course, if for no other reason that there are masses and fields that aren't observable in interplanetary space that all contribute. but they can be shown to be relatively negligible, so that we are able to make projections of sufficient accuracy to actually send craft on intercept courses between orbiting bodies. it is however, still necessary to have ongoing orbit maintenance ((attitude thrusters)) in any craft if you want to be able to keep intercepts within some usable margin, and especially if you want to enter orbit around another body. there's drag, which because of observational difficulties, isn't predicatable. for lack of knowledge, essentially.
take Musk's car, for example. he aimed it at mars. he missed. he was relatively close, 'relative' being a relative term, but not close enough to have gotten into orbit or been able to do science in a contributable way. no correcting thrusters; car had its fluids all removed.

'close enough' is a relative term. i believe Heisenberg discovered truth. human knowledge of he creation is limited, but even were it as complete as physically possible it would still be limited. that's Biblical - Ecclesiastes 3:11. it's a 'feature' of creation that we are incapable of comprehending and/or predicting it. 'close enough' is going to have to be enough, it is enough, pragmatically speaking, until Jesus brings the new heavens and the new earth.

 

[posthuman]

magnetic (space) from the dielectric (counterspace).

i have a rubber skee-ball here. a packet of dielectric grease in my socket set in the garage. are these things made of counter-matter? they're electrically neutral, but they happen to be affected by gravity the same way my ferrous ball bearing is. neutrons aren't massless.

 

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