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Matthew 14:27 + Isaiah 9:2
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Isaiah 9:6
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God should be capitalized, and Jesus is God. While the Bible says that in Him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily, we are not to take this to mean that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are NOT three distinct divine persons. What it does mean is that Christ has all the attributes of the triune Godhead in Himself. As do the Father and the Holy Spirit. They are all GOD. This is the Mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ (Col 2:2).
Thank you, Pilgrimshope! I do not remember what colour that robe was at first, but I made it magenta .
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As the God-Man. That did not change for a second. That is exactly why Christ controlled the time of His death and then dismissed His spirit. Pilate was surprised that Christ had died ahead of the others, therefore not a bone of His was broken (fulfilling the picture of the Passover lamb). Hence Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us.
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We do what we want and how we want to do it. If we will not do it for Christ we will never do it for anyone else. I've tried hinting at it but the lord let me know so.. I let it go I will bend praise GOD. For me its yelling its shouting but he's trying to make a point his way as many of us do.
I am not the best writer forgive me. As for faith its Christs words. I like how the NIV in Rom says it "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. One can just read the bible day in day out and no faith comes. Why? Then we have faith without works is dead. Faith is the substance of things hopped for its the evidence of things not seen. Ooh almost like positive confessing! Lol that will get the feathers rustled. Hmm lets see if I can quote what what was said so many times over the years yet oddly never gets quoted "we got that wrong years ago and have repented". Oops
Faith always works. The world does it and Christians do it. Oh I have seen so many as Christ said that have great faith but its the flip side. They can believe with no doubt every year they will get the flu or some sickness. They will also believe that Doctor (which God is for) that say "if your family had it you most likely will to". Did we listen and read what Christ said? "what so ever you desire". Some make it like a prayer. Faith Psa 4 David says "hear me when I call oh God of my righteousness" then later says "but know that the lord will hear me when I call unto him". Love that! Pray Psa 4 every night and others.
So we still ask what is faith how do you get it and then what do you do with it as in how do you use it? It was counted unto Abraham as righteousness because he believed God. There was no, maybe it might be true (no faith there) but he knew it was true for if GOD said it there is no doubting no matter what he saw felt or was told by those around him. Because of this he was a friend of God. The centurion wow he just took Christs word. If Christ just says it then right then in that moment there is no doubt there is no questioning no wondering just the fact its done. See this is where some today put God on a time clock. It didn't happen when you expected it. If we had the faith the size of mustered seed we would be moving MTN's. Those that do have the works yet fail in other areas oh Father forgive us.. how are they treated or talked about? Fact they know faith. Get over it we need each other. There is no one group or one alone believer that has all of the...hmm pie.
1 Cor 13 13 Amp "And now there remain: faith [abiding trust in God and His promises], hope [confident expectation of eternal salvation], love [unselfish love for others growing out of God’s love for me], these three [the choicest graces]; but the greatest of these is love. "
So in my world I always want to be around those that speak live by faith. For they have the "works" the fruits also. So as the Father said I do I boast of Him. Faith.. my son oh my baby says about 6 months ago "this is something you can't just pray away". It was "Bipolar" and he's 33y old. At that moment he had broke up with his girl friend after 4 years. Might have paid a part. I said nothing he knows what I believe and he can tell you some great praise GOD stories of what God has done. But those words not even the great I AM can do anything about. So God as He always does as my son has faith in Doctors will use them for always His glory. There are countless in this one area God has since Christ already paid the price set free healed. There is nothing OUR God can not do.
Our words can enslave us or set us free. Set us free meaning speak words of life. All I ever want is others not never take my word for it. If you read the same bible then just believe Him. But you have to work your faith. You have to start believing in small areas so if nothing happens your faith is not crushed.
I am not the best writer forgive me. As for faith its Christs words. I like how the NIV in Rom says it "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. One can just read the bible day in day out and no faith comes. Why?
Then we have faith without works is dead. Faith is the substance of things hopped for its the evidence of things not seen. Ooh almost like positive confessing! Lol that will get the feathers rustled. Hmm lets see if I can quote what what was said so many times over the years yet oddly never gets quoted "we got that wrong years ago and have repented". Oops Faith always works. The world does it and Christians do it. Oh I have seen so many as Christ said that have great faith but its the flip side. They can believe with no doubt every year they will get the flu or some sickness. They will also believe that Doctor (which God is for) that say "if your family had it you most likely will to". Did we listen and read what Christ said? "what so ever you desire". Some make it like a prayer. Faith Psa 4 David says "hear me when I call oh God of my righteousness" then later says "but know that the lord will hear me when I call unto him". Love that! Pray Psa 4 every night and others.
So we still ask what is faith how do you get it and then what do you do with it as in how do you use it? It was counted unto Abraham as righteousness because he believed God. There was no, maybe it might be true (no faith there) but he knew it was true for if GOD said it there is no doubting no matter what he saw felt or was told by those around him. Because of this he was a friend of God. The centurion wow he just took Christs word. If Christ just says it then right then in that moment there is no doubt there is no questioning no wondering just the fact its done. See this is where some today put God on a time clock. It didn't happen when you expected it. If we had the faith the size of mustered seed we would be moving MTN's. Those that do have the works yet fail in other areas oh Father forgive us.. how are they treated or talked about? Fact they know faith. Get over it we need each other. There is no one group or one alone believer that has all of the...hmm pie.
1 Cor 13 13 Amp "And now there remain: faith [abiding trust in God and His promises], hope [confident expectation of eternal salvation], love [unselfish love for others growing out of God’s love for me], these three [the choicest graces]; but the greatest of these is love. "
So in my world I always want to be around those that speak live by faith. For they have the "works" the fruits also. So as the Father said I do I boast of Him. Faith.. my son oh my baby says about 6 months ago "this is something you can't just pray away". It was "Bipolar" and he's 33y old. At that moment he had broke up with his girl friend after 4 years. Might have paid a part. I said nothing he knows what I believe and he can tell you some great praise GOD stories of what God has done. But those words not even the great I AM can do anything about. So God as He always does as my son has faith in Doctors will use them for always His glory. There are countless in this one area God has since Christ already paid the price set free healed. There is nothing OUR God can not do.
Our words can enslave us or set us free. Set us free meaning speak words of life. All I ever want is others not never take my word for it. If you read the same bible then just believe Him. But you have to work your faith. You have to start believing in small areas so if nothing happens your faith is not crushed.
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Perhaps you should take your own advice and reread the post I wrote and see if your comment is a straw man or something i said . And yeah it gets old doing e same frivolous thing so you aren’t saying god doesn’t have fai th and that’s not how he creates things ? It seems like that’s exactly what your saying only you added “ god doesn’t have faith in himself “ that’s not what I said at any point but that’s where your Somme t is coming from seems basic I read it twice seems like just the same arguing because you sins actually consider what I had said but shanties to argue wi th rhat I didnt say
butbyeah it’s not up to me what you believe of you think what you said then why bother with me lol ? You want to who e about “ snarkiness “ this is what I responded to
you said
“Your argument is circular and pointless. God gives faith, but He does not exercise it.”
you said
God is the source of faith he's the creator is the point he is the source of faith when he speaks"
“If your punctuation-devoid word collection is interpreted as you intend it,”
lol and now your going to whine about me agreeing with what you said nd call
Me snarky hahaha “hello pot it’s the kettle calling you are so black “
Thats my point some folks are just only here to create arguments look at this thread lol no one’s talking about faith we’re here arguing about punctuation and capitalization lol then we say snarky things and begin to whine when anyone responds
It’s like seventh grade
“ you are saying god didn’t excercise faith he only gives it to man “
what I’m saying is very simple it is not the argument your making against . When God says anything that is faith that’s what faith is
a look at what I’m saying before you argue against it
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:3 KJV
gods word created what exists that is the principle of faith the foundation of it
If god didn’t say “ let there be light “ light could not exist .
at he same word of God is spoken to A man now watch the power of gods rd to be faithful to what he said he commands even the creation itself by his word of faith that created it still listen to what I’m actually getting at not what your arguing against but consider that same word working through a man that hears d believes it look at the result and where the whole thing came from
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt. And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
at he same power of faith in his word that created light Leo created darkness through Moses hearing and believing his word the faith is not a thing it’s the word itself Gods word. It’s why when we receive faith it can o my come from his word brother
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
faith comes when you hear the gospel because it’s gods word sent to all
Of us it’s the same power in his word now as it was w he he spoke light or spoke to Moses and Moses heard and obeyed
Do you understand what I’m saying ? God has to say something like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That is just like the word of light he spoke or when he spoke to Moses and Moses believes and lifted his hand the result is already sure but we have to hear what he really said we can’t just say I believe Jesus exists now I have faith his words that he sent to all people promising salvation are the same powerful words to create what he said
“ whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “……..and it will
Be so
That’s the principle of faith god has to speak something to you ( the gospel is for all creatures of the world ) and you have to believe it and act upon it because you heard what he said lole
Moses moses didn’t complain that lifting his hand was a work he believed and so he acted that’s faith hear what god said och is the beginning and source of faith gods word is faith itself the power of faith in his word is what moves and creates things that’s why I quoted this part
“And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
Mark 11:22-23 KJV
but let’s not start being “ snarky “ lol and then whine when someone replies in kind though laugh about it if you want to argue and bicker don’t whine when you start insulting people and they don’t offer a whole lot of respect on return that’s just a bad look . I don’t start insulting and arguing with any of you you seem to find a lot of fault with my grammar or how I write , but that doesn’t mean anything to me it’s not me th ats offended inthink
It’s silly it’s like if I demanded you write just like i do or if not you owe me some repentance because I’m offended now
How someone writes doesn’t matter to
Me so it’s irrelevant to me I care about what’s bieng said . But honestly the bickering is childish to me . If you don’t like my posts find posts you like I pretty much avoid most that I don’t like lol seems a simple thing to just move on and avoid silly arguments
butbyeah it’s not up to me what you believe of you think what you said then why bother with me lol ? You want to who e about “ snarkiness “ this is what I responded to
you said
“Your argument is circular and pointless. God gives faith, but He does not exercise it.”
you said
God is the source of faith he's the creator is the point he is the source of faith when he speaks"
“If your punctuation-devoid word collection is interpreted as you intend it,”
lol and now your going to whine about me agreeing with what you said nd call
Me snarky hahaha “hello pot it’s the kettle calling you are so black “
Thats my point some folks are just only here to create arguments look at this thread lol no one’s talking about faith we’re here arguing about punctuation and capitalization lol then we say snarky things and begin to whine when anyone responds
It’s like seventh grade
“ you are saying god didn’t excercise faith he only gives it to man “
what I’m saying is very simple it is not the argument your making against . When God says anything that is faith that’s what faith is
a look at what I’m saying before you argue against it
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:3 KJV
gods word created what exists that is the principle of faith the foundation of it
If god didn’t say “ let there be light “ light could not exist .
at he same word of God is spoken to A man now watch the power of gods rd to be faithful to what he said he commands even the creation itself by his word of faith that created it still listen to what I’m actually getting at not what your arguing against but consider that same word working through a man that hears d believes it look at the result and where the whole thing came from
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt. And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
at he same power of faith in his word that created light Leo created darkness through Moses hearing and believing his word the faith is not a thing it’s the word itself Gods word. It’s why when we receive faith it can o my come from his word brother
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
faith comes when you hear the gospel because it’s gods word sent to all
Of us it’s the same power in his word now as it was w he he spoke light or spoke to Moses and Moses heard and obeyed
Do you understand what I’m saying ? God has to say something like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That is just like the word of light he spoke or when he spoke to Moses and Moses believes and lifted his hand the result is already sure but we have to hear what he really said we can’t just say I believe Jesus exists now I have faith his words that he sent to all people promising salvation are the same powerful words to create what he said
“ whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “……..and it will
Be so
That’s the principle of faith god has to speak something to you ( the gospel is for all creatures of the world ) and you have to believe it and act upon it because you heard what he said lole
Moses moses didn’t complain that lifting his hand was a work he believed and so he acted that’s faith hear what god said och is the beginning and source of faith gods word is faith itself the power of faith in his word is what moves and creates things that’s why I quoted this part
“And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
Mark 11:22-23 KJV
but let’s not start being “ snarky “ lol and then whine when someone replies in kind though laugh about it if you want to argue and bicker don’t whine when you start insulting people and they don’t offer a whole lot of respect on return that’s just a bad look . I don’t start insulting and arguing with any of you you seem to find a lot of fault with my grammar or how I write , but that doesn’t mean anything to me it’s not me th ats offended inthink
It’s silly it’s like if I demanded you write just like i do or if not you owe me some repentance because I’m offended now
How someone writes doesn’t matter to
Me so it’s irrelevant to me I care about what’s bieng said . But honestly the bickering is childish to me . If you don’t like my posts find posts you like I pretty much avoid most that I don’t like lol seems a simple thing to just move on and avoid silly arguments
Yeah brother capitalization is t really something that matters to me . I agree Jesus is God
we are not to take this to mean that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are NOT three distinct divine persons.
i disagree with this
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7
the father is a title , the word was made flesh and dwelt among us , the Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus given tonus after his ascention back to his original glory before he came to save us
god is one that’s my belief but brother your free to believe how ever you wish about the “ trinity “ people have a lot of different beliefs I personally believe Jesus is the one true and only God his time on earth was done for our benefit he is the creator who created all things the one who was born of a virgin and then later ascended back to his original glory from before the world was
i don’t believe in more than one God and don’t believe god is three people om
Not really sure if that’s what your saying but I believe God is one person and we are all created in his ( singular ) image the image of Jesus Christ the son of God
we are not to take this to mean that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are NOT three distinct divine persons.
i disagree with this
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7
the father is a title , the word was made flesh and dwelt among us , the Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus given tonus after his ascention back to his original glory before he came to save us
god is one that’s my belief but brother your free to believe how ever you wish about the “ trinity “ people have a lot of different beliefs I personally believe Jesus is the one true and only God his time on earth was done for our benefit he is the creator who created all things the one who was born of a virgin and then later ascended back to his original glory from before the world was
i don’t believe in more than one God and don’t believe god is three people om
Not really sure if that’s what your saying but I believe God is one person and we are all created in his ( singular ) image the image of Jesus Christ the son of God
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yeah when Jesus was born was one thing , when Jesus was baptized is when we really start hearing things the gospel . When this happens
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
a notice we never see “ the father descend onto Jesus ? But
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:10 KJV
The Holy Spirit and father are one with Jesus
When johns ministry was almost concluded before his arrest it was this about to happen
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
They were about to start being fulfilled
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
Matthew 11:13 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
god is a spirit that is holy , in the ot he declares before he is made flesh that if they come near him they will all perish because of his raging fire of wrath against sin and they all had sinful garments upon themselves and had to stay far away and not hear what he said in the cloud
at here eas no k e that could enter the cloud alive on earth everyone had become sinners. God saw it and became the perfect man I order To intercede for us with God became a perfect and tested and tried who lived a holy life before God always without fail even on his way to the cross he never sinned he became man to be a mediator between God and man .
Because we had all become lost in sin and darkness he came to save his creatures from damnation and it needed to be a perfect man to be tbat Passover your talking about there an animals blood can’t really pay for any one mans sin , but Jesus blood of a perfect man can stone for all the worlds sin who accept it by faith hearing the message of the gospel that he died for our sins and rose for our justification before God
God can’t die he’s eternal to enter death and save us he had to become a man and die for us as a sacrifice his resurrection was by his spirit of holiness which is always the part of God that moves things his word declares his spirit moves and fulfills
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
a notice we never see “ the father descend onto Jesus ? But
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:10 KJV
The Holy Spirit and father are one with Jesus
When johns ministry was almost concluded before his arrest it was this about to happen
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
They were about to start being fulfilled
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
Matthew 11:13 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
god is a spirit that is holy , in the ot he declares before he is made flesh that if they come near him they will all perish because of his raging fire of wrath against sin and they all had sinful garments upon themselves and had to stay far away and not hear what he said in the cloud
at here eas no k e that could enter the cloud alive on earth everyone had become sinners. God saw it and became the perfect man I order To intercede for us with God became a perfect and tested and tried who lived a holy life before God always without fail even on his way to the cross he never sinned he became man to be a mediator between God and man .
Because we had all become lost in sin and darkness he came to save his creatures from damnation and it needed to be a perfect man to be tbat Passover your talking about there an animals blood can’t really pay for any one mans sin , but Jesus blood of a perfect man can stone for all the worlds sin who accept it by faith hearing the message of the gospel that he died for our sins and rose for our justification before God
God can’t die he’s eternal to enter death and save us he had to become a man and die for us as a sacrifice his resurrection was by his spirit of holiness which is always the part of God that moves things his word declares his spirit moves and fulfills
This is an inaccurate assessment of what happened. He has a special rig setup to help him communicate. Even when this was made known to you, rather than exercise grace, you chose offense. You did so because you don't understand his situation, or seem to even care.
The above doesn't even deal with your hypocrisy. You expect to be accommodated, yet you are unwilling to accommodate another. Your ignore his infirmity and take offense. You could have easily exercised mercy.
Not only this, had you taken the time to get to know him, you would know of his love and reverence towards God.
Having said all this, his replies to you could have been gentler and more loving. We all have a responsibility before the Lord to exercise love, especially to those in the Lord.
The above doesn't even deal with your hypocrisy. You expect to be accommodated, yet you are unwilling to accommodate another. Your ignore his infirmity and take offense. You could have easily exercised mercy.
Not only this, had you taken the time to get to know him, you would know of his love and reverence towards God.
Having said all this, his replies to you could have been gentler and more loving. We all have a responsibility before the Lord to exercise love, especially to those in the Lord.
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Above all, love one another deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. (1 Pet 4:8)
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. (Eph 4:32)
please don't think i mean to be critical of anyone... i'm the last person with a right to do that.
these are simply verses the Lord has reminded me of when i'm being a crotchety, cantankerous old woman.
He's so faithful.
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. (Eph 4:32)
please don't think i mean to be critical of anyone... i'm the last person with a right to do that.
these are simply verses the Lord has reminded me of when i'm being a crotchety, cantankerous old woman.
He's so faithful.
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