Faith without works..........

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Yep it's all called assurance of salvation 🙂

It's shows if you are doing right by him your saved, and those who are saved do right by him

And if you don't then you aren't saved and thereby faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. People will be judged on their behavior.
 
Lol I didn't say it was but he loves us which is why we have a choice. Its not love if there isn't a choice.
he gives you the choice tho out of his love, and in his choice are works out of love that test your heart in fire.

This is the choice you have to make whilst your heart is being tested in fire.
 
And if you don't then you aren't saved and thereby faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. People will be judged on their behavior.
He builds the heart up whilst your being made to believe he basically has to rein you in with his reins, every time you respond well whilst he's building your heart up it is counted by his faith in you, or counted unto you as righteousness (his righteousness tho not yours) , then what happens is if you respond well whilst his word is speaking to you inside ( his fire), you please him and the more you do right by him the more he loves you, obviously the less you do right by his enabling grace in you. The longer it takes for a unsaved person to come out of the desert. 🙂
 
he gives you the choice tho out of his love, and in his choice are works out of love that test your heart in fire.

This is the choice you have to make whilst your heart is being tested in fire.

He builds the heart up whilst your being made to believe he basically has to rein you in with his reins, every time you respond well whilst he's building your heart up it is counted by his faith in you, or counted unto you as righteousness (his righteousness tho not yours) , then what happens is if you respond well whilst his word is speaking to you inside ( his fire), you please him and the more you do right by him the more he loves you, obviously the less you do right by his enabling grace in you. The longer it takes for a unsaved person to come out of the desert. 🙂


Please make your case from Scripture and not from your own reasoning.


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Please make your case from Scripture and not from your own reasoning.


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oh I did quote scripture within all the messages I've spoke to him, its just Shame you ever noticed, maybe you have a disagreement with the actual message and prefer to derail 🙂

And I'm talking to someone who need to understand the message in an easy way , so I'm making it simple to understand, it's a shame you never saw that either.
 
he gives you the choice tho out of his love, and in his choice are works out of love that test your heart in fire.

This is the choice you have to make whilst your heart is being tested in fire.

But you have to have a choice otherwise neither God nor is is acting out of love.
 
He builds the heart up whilst your being made to believe he basically has to rein you in with his reins, every time you respond well whilst he's building your heart up it is counted by his faith in you, or counted unto you as righteousness (his righteousness tho not yours) , then what happens is if you respond well whilst his word is speaking to you inside ( his fire), you please him and the more you do right by him the more he loves you, obviously the less you do right by his enabling grace in you. The longer it takes for a unsaved person to come out of the desert. 🙂

Incorrect. We have agency given to us by God and it is our choice to surrender to his will out of love or not. We cannot love God is we do not have agency to choose not to do his will.
 
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Incorrect. We have agency given to us by God and it is our choice to surrender to his will out of love or not. We cannot love God is we do not have agency to choose not to do his will.
actually you'll find God built people's hearts up in the desert for 40 years by his word enabling power, speaking directly to them, and speaking his empowerment with his life saving words into there hearts, building mercy prayer obedience in there hearts, before rejecting them and 600.000 men where rejected, so why should you or anyone else be any different,

That's Gods character to use his life saving word to test there heart in his works and his fire and his enabling grace, called the building blocks , if you want to go against his character then you to could be in the desert for 40 years 🙂
 
actually you'll find God built people's hearts up in the desert for 40 years by his word enabling power, speaking directly to them, and speaking his empowerment with his life saving words into there hearts, building mercy prayer obedience in there hearts, before rejecting them and 600.000 men where rejected, so why should you or anyone else be any different,

That's Gods character to use his life saving word to test there heart in his works and his fire and his enabling grace, called the building blocks , if you want to go against his character then you to could be in the desert for 40 years 🙂

You still have a choice otherwise you're not acting out of love.
 
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You still have a choice otherwise you're not acting out of love.
The fathers is like the son and he knows your heart before being saved, and he can tell the intentions of your heart when he tests it in his love and gives you a choice, important to note here, that when he tests your heart in his love it's called his enabling grace, with his works and his choice and his will attached to his message, so in all these verses he knows what your reactions are by his inherent will in you.


Proverbs 16:2

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2 All a person’s ways seem pure to them,
but motives are weighed by the Lord.

1 John 3:18

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18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.



1 Corinthians 4:5

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5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.


Galatians 5:26

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26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
 
The fathers is like the son and he knows your heart before being saved, and he can tell the intentions of your heart when he tests it in his love and gives you a choice, important to note here, that when he tests your heart in his love it's called his enabling grace, with his works and his choice and his will attached to his message, so in all these verses he knows what your reactions are by his inherent will in you.


Proverbs 16:2

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2 All a person’s ways seem pure to them,
but motives are weighed by the Lord.

1 John 3:18

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18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.



1 Corinthians 4:5

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5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.


Galatians 5:26

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26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Still has to be a free choice
 
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Still has to be a free choice


All you have to do is look at his hostile and arrogant behavior in his responses which proves he has free will and is exercising it. If he actually didn't have free will, he wouldn't be so hostile and arrogant in his responses toward you because God would NEVER make him do that. 😊


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All you have to do is look at his hostile and arrogant behavior in his responses which proves he has free will and is exercising it. If he actually didn't have free will, he wouldn't be so hostile and arrogant in his responses toward you because God would NEVER make him do that. 😊


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This is a great point.
 
All you have to do is look at his hostile and arrogant behavior in his responses which proves he has free will and is exercising it. If he actually didn't have free will, he wouldn't be so hostile and arrogant in his responses toward you because God would NEVER make him do that. 😊


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This is a great point.
ok well I'll leave you both to your ignorance since you both can't notice how kind I've been in sharing my faith, despite you disagreeing with everything I've said.

And this thread was about works.

Not your free will.

The word is clear free will lives in the flesh cited in John 1


Therefore the flesh does not have faith or works, 🙂

Anyhoo enjoy your your next unpleasant remark and agreement of each others hostility,
 
ok well I'll leave you both to your ignorance since you both can't notice how kind I've been in sharing my faith, despite you disagreeing with everything I've said.

And this thread was about works.

Not your free will.

The word is clear free will lives in the flesh cited in John 1


Therefore the flesh does not have faith or works, 🙂

Anyhoo enjoy your your next unpleasant remark and agreement of each others hostility,

Free will is directly related to works. They have to be if God is going to judge us based on our choices. Salvation is clearly linked to our works. If we have choice but to act as God wills us there would be no need for judgement.
 
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1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Charity, love in action, works is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

No love then no faith.

For how can you have faith apply to salvation if you do not have love when faith works by love and love is greater than faith.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John said if a person does not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.

Which he said love in action, deeds, for love is only valid if done in works which is why it is called charity.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Which James goes along with John saying if they do not have charity then their faith is dead.

And said Abraham was justified by works.

And a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

For love is only valid if done in works to care about the needs of people whatever that may be and love is greater than faith.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

And Paul agrees with James and John that he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

They do not understand Paul and try to carry not saved by works throughout their Christian walk.

But Paul said you have to have charity, works of love, or you are nothing.

Which is the same thing as your faith does not count which he said charity is greater than faith.

All things stem from love including faith.

All things do not stem from faith.

We are saved by faith, and not by works when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.

And we do not receive the Spirit until after we do that.

But when we receive the Spirit then we have to have works of love to have faith active in our life.

I appreciate you perspective. In my opinion, Paul's wrestling with formerly Jewish Christians about the nature of the Gospel has given those who prefer a totally passive religion a foundation. People equate Paul's council to Jewish Christians about the fact that their Law is not going to connect them the the saving grace of Jesus. We have made all definitions of faith as passive. Sit and believe. There is no repentance because you are already "saved" by our faith claim. There is no need for baptism as it is just a Jewish tradition that was discarded by faith alone. Being born again is just an ambiguous term for attending church regularly.

This passive faith enables a retreat from participation in the work of God in the world. Our job is just to believe. God's job is to do what we want. We pray for others, but not with others. We pray for the healing of others, but provide no healing. We pray for the poor, but prove them no money. We pray for the widows and orphans in hopes of whoever is caring for them will do a good job. We praise the power of God but depend on our political party more. We become highly selective in filtering our bibles. Jesus commands for obedience we convert to just believe. Jesus says if you persevere to the end of your life, you will be saved. We say you get instantaneous salvation when you buy into a pulpit prayer. Paul says faith without love is just noise, but we preach saving faith by agreement with our church's dogmas. The kind of faith we practice creates churches where all the people are of the same race, same educational level, same income level, same dress, same financial priorities, same politics and same social standing.

I agree with you that a holistic perspective of the New Testament demonstrates that faith is love in action. Jesus's actions were motivated by love. Love without action is neither love or faith. Repentance lies at the center of an honest heart. Humility lies at the center of repentance. Paul, when on trial for his life - spoiler alert - he loses, explained his entire message was to preach what he had experienced and to call all to repentance and to produce "the works of repentance." Ever since Martin Luther, repentance, baptism and being born again are replaced by "faith." If what you do in life and who you are in life and who you serve in life is not the will of Jesus our Christ, then at least you have the comfort of your "faith."

The least known and least preached chapter in the New Testament is Matthew 25.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be assembled before him, and he will separate people one from another like a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the king will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did it for one of the least of these brothers or sisters of mine, you did it for me.’

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels! For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not receive me as a guest, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not give you whatever you needed?’ Then he will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me.’ And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 
Then he will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me.’ And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

This verse you quoted omits "my brothers", which is stated in verse 40. Jesus was referring to the least of his brothers, who he said in another place are those who do his father's will. Just giving to the poor who are living in sin might make you feel righteous, but it's not what he meant.