Faith or Law?

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Nedsk said:
So faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. If it did it wouldn't need to be made perfect. Are you aware of what perfect means?
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By faith comes works. Salvation is in doing the will of God. The work of faith is the word of God and salvation is in the word. So being saved is being made perfect.
Salvation is there for us. As God says ask and you shall recieve.knock and the door shall be opened. He that has ear to hear and all they that have an eye... meaning insight and understanding to know God. The Lord is sufficient in himself. And Faith is sufficient as like Abraham, he first had to have faith, meaning, trust in God. And then work. That justifies us. Faith and work, when given from God. He did not do it on his own. It was was not his work. Therefore he was perfect in faith. By doing the work that God told him.

But we have a promise from Jesus to be made perfect in all things pertaining to life. Which is life. 2 Peter 1:3-4
[3]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
To walk perfect in His commandments.
Abraham had faith, but no understanding, because all was not done yet. Jesus and the new covenant is for us in the last days. Commandments and statues to go by. Which is faith and work. Salvation for us is the same path, but with understanding. A work from God. Not just a good work and not just having faith in your mind, but being obedient to word. Where in which you reach Salvation.
Salvation is here. That is why Jesus said he needed to die. For us to know how to keep our Salvation. And not trangress the law or walk in iniquity. For all things to be done and clear.
 
Soyeong said:
Acts 15:19-21 does not list the beatitudes. Acts 15:19-21 either contains an exhaustive list for mature believers or it does not, so it is contradictory for you to try to treat it as being an exhaustive list in order to limit what Gentiles should follow while also treating it as being an non-exhaustive list by taking the position that there are other things that Gentiles should follow. Do you think that Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list or not?
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Acts 15 concerns the law of Moses, and which of those laws gentiles be asked to follow
 
Toknow said:
You won't get any argument from me!

Sure...in some persons (not all) good works WILL follow their salvation and faith in jesus.

However, good works are NECESSARY in order to be obedient to Jesus.

And Jesus taught that we are to do good works.
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Yes good works are necessary
 
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GiftofGod23 said:
By faith comes works. Salvation is in doing the will of God. The work of faith is the word of God and salvation is in the word. So being saved is being made perfect.
Salvation is there for us. As God says ask and you shall recieve.knock and the door shall be opened. He that has ear to hear and all they that have an eye... meaning insight and understanding to know God. The Lord is sufficient in himself. And Faith is sufficient as like Abraham, he first had to have faith, meaning, trust in God. And then work. That justifies us. Faith and work, when given from God. He did not do it on his own. It was was not his work. Therefore he was perfect in faith. By doing the work that God told him.

But we have a promise from Jesus to be made perfect in all things pertaining to life. Which is life. 2 Peter 1:3-4
[3]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
To walk perfect in His commandments.
Abraham had faith, but no understanding, because all was not done yet. Jesus and the new covenant is for us in the last days. Commandments and statues to go by. Which is faith and work. Salvation for us is the same path, but with understanding. A work from God. Not just a good work and not just having faith in your mind, but being obedient to word. Where in which you reach Salvation.
Salvation is here. That is why Jesus said he needed to die. For us to know how to keep our Salvation. And not trangress the law or walk in iniquity. For all things to be done and clear.
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And doing the will of God is a choice not a result of faith.
 
Nedsk said:
So faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. If it did it wouldn't need to be made perfect. Are you aware of what perfect means?
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Jesus said he must first put all things under his feet. All things needed to be made perfect. Not just one thing. And he csme for a specific people. His people. The ones he perfects. Not a fleshly isreal, or a carnal house of jacob or jew or gentiles, or Christian or Islamic or bhuddist or any religion or spirituality. But only his people.
 
Nedsk said:
And doing the will of God is a choice not a result of faith.
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You must first choose to follow God and to keep following him. God does not take your will away. He just makes us perfect. As it says. We learn to do right in the sight of God.
 
GiftofGod23 said:
Jesus said he must first put all things under his feet. All things needed to be made perfect. Not just one thing. And he csme for a specific people. His people. The ones he perfects. Not a fleshly isreal, or a carnal house of jacob or jew or gentiles, or Christian or Islamic or bhuddist or any religion or spirituality. But only his people.
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Do you know what perfect means?
 
GiftofGod23 said:
You must first choose to follow God and to keep following him. God does not take your will away. He just makes us perfect. As it says. We learn to do right in the sight of God.
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Good! You realize our will is not taken from us so our works are a choice. Make sure you know what perfect means.
 
Pilgrimshope said:
No worries at all some people are able to take quotes
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This is what you mean, right?



from one comment and they appear in a box then you reply in your own post . I just have no clue how it works lol I apologize my presentation isn’t good
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it's easy Pilgrim....
you just have to be willing to learn.
I'm willing to try again.
 
Nedsk said:
You still have to choose. Faith without works is dead. As James says faith is brought to completion (perfected) by works.
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If you read back through. Thats all what I have said. But you aren't understanding the works that they are speaking of. They have the Holy ghost spirit and guiding those that are under him in the church. So as they always say. They speak the same message. He is not telling the world their works are fine. There would be no need for any of the other explaining or anything.
He is teaching children of God to do the works of the kingdom, as they grow in faith.
Again. God is sufficient in himself. He has all things in himself. The work is for growth also. Faith and works being perfect in the integrity of the Kingdom of God.
 
If God commanded to do something and the Jerusalem Council said to not do what God commanded, then who has the higher authority and which one should we follow?
 
Nedsk said:
You still have to choose. Faith without works is dead. As James says faith is brought to completion (perfected) by works.
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Soyeong said:
If God commanded to do something and the Jerusalem Council said to not do what God commanded, then who has the higher authority and which one should we follow?
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John 5:30-31
[30]I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[31]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
 
GiftofGod23 said:
John 5:30-31
[30]I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[31]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
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Jesus said he make a new heaven and a new earth and a new covenant. And the angels and all the host of heaven do as he says.
 
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