Eternal Security - Most dangerous words ever preached: Once saved, always saved.

[tourist]

That's what the Deceiver told you. And you fell for it.

Apparently he fell for a deception.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Satan hates the fact that God Himself is our salvation, and that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. So the next weapon in his arsenal is to make people believe that they can lose their salvation (like a set of keys).

Jude 1:4 KJV
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS IS WHAT OSAS DOES!

 

[tourist]

Christians who consider their faith as something that can't be lost think their salvation is eternal reality. Death is eternal reality, salvation is not. If it were there would be no reason for Hope. Death is a fact. No one needs to hope they will die someday. If salvation were a fact of human life on earth like death is then we could say we have eternal security. We can have a sure hope at best.

You can take blessed assured hope to the bank. The check will always clear.

 

[throughfaith]

You are not glorified yet. You HOPE for glorification (Romans 5v2). You are not SAVED yet. You are only at this point JUSTIFIED (and by implication have Peace with God). You are still working out your salvation. You are BEING SAVED.

The biggest issue comes about with a translation error in Ephesians 2v8. I will show it here: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Whereas the reality is that the verb for SAVED is AORIST. Which cannot be defined as past tense. Here is the Greek original intent:

The verb that is translated "being saved" comes from two verbs: ειμι and σωζω (εστε, "you are", and σεσωσμενοι, "being saved"). When a biblical author chooses this compound way of describing things, he almost always has a more continuous process in view. So I think the "being saved" translation is closer to the Greek text.

So the correct translations should be: For by grace you are being saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Good grief. Did you actually read what I said ? No we are not glorified yet . That was my point . You made a bizarre point about the ' until ' in ' sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Redemption is Glorification . So how can a believer be lost when he is sealed until future glorification?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Moving away from the hope of the gospel is to become unfaithful which is very much a possibility but it is never to be meant they lose their salvation.

Not according to what is written here:

1 Thessalonians 3:5 KJV
[5] For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

 

[posthuman]

Your response is out in left field, you have been clearly shown that man is subject to the governing authorities.

you don't seem to understand: whether we are subject to governing authorities or not is not the meaning of 'worldly politics are evil'
if it were, then Christ would be attacking the authority of the law of Moses when He criticized the pharisees & sadducees.

 

[Chris1975]

Good grief. Did you actually read what I said ? No we are not glorified yet . That was my point . You made a bizarre point about the ' until ' in ' sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Redemption is Glorification . So how can a believer be lost when he is sealed until future glorification?

You miss my point. Glorification will not happen to Goats. Goats will not have a happy redemption day.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let’s see what happens when you grieve God our Father:

Hebrews 3:10-11 KJV
[10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Like Noah ? you think Noah was saved by believing on the Death , burial and resurrection? And the coming of the Holy Spirit? Then Noah was baptised into the body of Christ, sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption ? really ? Can anyone be saved today on what Abraham , issac, Jacob , Noah , moses ect believed ? try preaching that today . No death of Christ , no burial and no resurrection ( it hadnt happened then ) no Romans 10 .9 ?

The O/T Saints where saved by their Faith in God and by their Faith in that sacrifice they took to the high priest would forgive them of their sins. All whose faith was only in God and forsook the sacrifice went to hell.

The N/T Saints are doing the same as the O/T Saints. They say their faith is in Jesus (God), but have no faith in the atoning Sacrifice (the Lamb of God-Christ Crucified 1 Cor. 2:2). This is called Apostasy. Matthew 7:14, Matthew 7:21-23


The scripture says, "Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." Genesis 8:20

Noah had Faith in the sacrifice that it would forgive him of his sins.

 

[throughfaith]

You are not glorified yet. You HOPE for glorification (Romans 5v2). You are not SAVED yet. You are only at this point JUSTIFIED (and by implication have Peace with God). You are still working out your salvation. You are BEING SAVED.

The biggest issue comes about with a translation error in Ephesians 2v8. I will show it here: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Whereas the reality is that the verb for SAVED is AORIST. Which cannot be defined as past tense. Here is the Greek original intent:

The verb that is translated "being saved" comes from two verbs: ειμι and σωζω (εστε, "you are", and σεσωσμενοι, "being saved"). When a biblical author chooses this compound way of describing things, he almost always has a more continuous process in view. So I think the "being saved" translation is closer to the Greek text.

So the correct translations should be: For by grace you are being saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

And that accords well with the rest of scripture:

1 Corinthians 1v18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

why have you jumped to other verses ?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Christ brings us freedom

Too bad he can’t free you from sin...

 

[Nehemiah6]

Nehemiah, if you couldnt understand this, then.......you just cannot see it.

Coming from one who is WILFULLY BLIND, that is rich.

 

[posthuman]

Precisely. The doctine of OSAS came from the serpent in the garden. "Thou shalt surely not die" --- by implication that you can continue to disobey God without consequence.

previously refuted:

I AM the Resurrection and the Life: he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live, ​

and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.

Do you believe this?
​

- Jesus Christ, Lord of heaven and earth​

​

 

[throughfaith]

Let’s see what happens when you grieve God our Father:

Hebrews 3:10-11 KJV
[10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

How did you miss 'until the day of redemption ( glorification) ?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

They preach a fear based false salvation

So does Jesus.

Are you deaf to his words?

Luke 12:4-5 KJV
[4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. [5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Take your OSAS ear muffs off.

 

[posthuman]

Apparently he fell for a deception.

i'm willing to bet it was craftily crafted by a crafty craftsman..

 

[Chris1975]

why have you jumped to other verses ?

You said "How can someone actually be lost when he is glorified"
To which my responses were......he is not glorified yet. He can still be lost on the journey. Salvation happens at the end of the journey. The JUST shall LIVE (ongoing) by faith.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jude 1:4 KJV

That is plainly speaking about FALSE TEACHERS. Not genuine Christians. Do you see how utterly confused you are. It is time to go back to SQUARE ONE after abandoning all your false beliefs.

 

[Chris1975]

previously refuted:

I AM the Resurrection and the Life: he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live, ​

and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. ​

​

Do you believe this? ​

​

- Jesus Christ, Lord of heaven and earth​

​

Did Adam and Eve believe in God?

 

[posthuman]

Too bad he can’t free you from sin...

you think? dunno why you would put your trust in Him if that were the case.

i rather think He is faithful to complete what He begins.