Essential Christian Doctrines

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Just_A__Follower said:
Why he chose disobedience over life, who knows. I often can’t explain why I make the dumb choices I make 😂. Maybe it was the same curiosity that killed the cat as thy say. But God gave Adam the command not Eve. Adam was the first of mankind. Adam was the one responsible. Speaking of that though, man being the responsible one is a big problem today. Men have turned into complete (trying to think of a politically correct word to put here). You get the point. What happened to men taking responsibility for their actions and for their families? Anyways that’s another conversation.
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Yeah.
I could fill in that blank.
And I do believe we agree 100% on this topic.
I'm a girl BTW.
And I couldn't agree more.
 
Toknow said:
Because it's this sinful nature that causes us to sin.
What do you think makes us sin?
If we don't have the sin nature...we will not sin.

Jesus did not have the sin nature because He's God.
He could be tempted, but He could not sin.
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Sin entered the world because Satan deceived Eve, otherwise we could’ve had a very different, beautiful world, free of sin. Satan was before that time, since he was there via the cunning snake.
 
Toknow said:
Of course I agree with your statement.

Yeah. That fruit looked good to the eye.
Eve fell for it.
Then what was Adam to do?
He understood that Eve was doomed...
so he joined her not to leave her alone.

It doesn't state this anywhere,,,but some understand it like this
and it seems feasible.
I don't add to scripture - but some explanation must be given since
it's Adam that caused the fall and not Eve.
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It was Eve that was deceived by the cunning snake then she gave to Adam to eat.
This is in Scripture.
 
Toknow said:
Right.

So is Trinity.
You don't believe in the Trinity either?
Hypostatic Union is a man-made term.
Maybe you also don't believe in that??

We need man-made terms to explain things.

You know, like we had to give a name to this thingy I'm using...
we call it a mouse.

However, here is your verse:

Romans 7:18
18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
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Ok, got it! You mean Trinity isn’t either, but we can read about them everywhere.
Yes!
 
TruthDefender said:
Sin entered the world because Satan deceived Eve, otherwise we could’ve had a very different, beautiful world, free of sin. Satan was before that time, since he was there via the cunning snake.
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So what exactly are your referring to?

Why not explain why you DISAGREED with me in a previous post of mine instead .

You've not stated anything above that every Christian knows.
 
Undergrace1 said:
For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out Rom7:18
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin. 25

Its in the NIV, I don't know about other translations
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Ok, it’s just written differently in the NKJV.

“But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
Undergrace1 said:
For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out Rom7:18
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin. 25

Its in the NIV, I don't know about other translations
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It's in every translation but said in different ways.
Flesh would be another way.
 
Toknow said:
So what exactly are your referring to?

Why not explain why you DISAGREED with me in a previous post of mine instead .

You've not stated anything above that every Christian knows.
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Oh, just because I had disagreed doesn’t mean we are always going to say something!? I disagree with a lot of statements. You’re the first person to inquire, though. :)

Actually, I believe I did address this! You had stated that “it was Adam that caused the fall and not Eve.”

It was Eve who was deceived by the cunning snake, she believed his lies, and then she gave to Adam.
 
TruthDefender said:
Oh, just because I had disagreed doesn’t mean we are always going to say something!? I disagree with a lot of statements. You’re the first person to inquire, though. :)

Actually, I believe I did address this! You had stated that “it was Adam that caused the fall and not Eve.”

It was Eve who was deceived by the cunning snake, she believed his lies, and then she gave to Adam.
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Ok
You described what happened.

Now please state WHO caused the fall?
Adam or Eve?
 
Toknow said:
What is your answer again?
I ask because you apparently believe I have given this little attention.
And quite the opposite is true.

I believe you said that Adam was tempted and then sinned.
I said a person could only sin due to the sin nature.

Did God create Adam with the sin nature?
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My answer was in post #214.

I invite you (or anyone) to reply to that post and evaluate it line by line citing Scripture when possible
and perhaps numbering the points, even if it needs to be continued in a later post, so I can respond more easily.
Thanks!
 
TruthDefender said:
Deception, lies coming from Satan. It was Eve who fell first!
You’re failing to understand what I wrote!?!
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I understand very well what you wrote TruthDefender

Adam caused man's fall.

God did not make the Edenic Covenant with Eve.
God made this Covenant with Adam.

Also, Paul explains this in


Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—


Romans 5:19
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
 
GWH said:
My answer was in post #214.

I invite you (or anyone) to reply to that post and evaluate it line by line citing Scripture when possible
and perhaps numbering the points, even if it needs to be continued in a later post, so I can respond more easily.
Thanks!
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I believe I've already replied to this....
 
Toknow said:
Hmmm. Don't know.
Really late here and must leave soon.
Noted it for tomorrow...
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Okay. BTW, I loved touring Italy with my newlywed in 1973, and we were able to revisit Venice in 2007.
So much beauty and history, both religious and political!
 
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