Enoch..............so how did he do it?

[louis]

While scriptures confirm your claim that no one has seen God; 2 Corinthians 12:2 nevertheless describes an individual having been to the third heaven.


2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

What is also interesting about the individual in 2 Corinthians 12:2 who was caught up to the third heaven, is that there are only three areas in the bible where being caught up to God and heaven/paradise is mentioned.
We have this individual who is caught up in 2 Corinthians 12:2 who later relates his experience to Paul on earth, thereby indicating his being caught up to the third heaven as a spirtiual experience.
The second instance in which someone is caught up to God and His throne in heaven appears in Revelation 12:5, who is later described as the subject of attack by Satan who has now been cast to the earth, thereby indicating the remnant offspring of the woman on earth who have been caught up to God, being a spiritual experience, and not a physical rapture from off the face of the earth.
I therefore likewise believe the third instance in which the faithful will be caught up to God in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, when we are changed in the twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:52), represents a spiritual changing.
Adding support that our being caught up in 1 Thess 4:17 and changed in the twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:52), will be a spiritual event and not a physical one appears in Micah 5, where a travailing woman (the same travailing woman as in Revelation 12), after conceiving, the offspring then travel around without working for man, and possesing great powers (Micah 5:7-8). I suspect this is the 2nd installment of the spirit after the GT.


Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Micah 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

 

[posthuman]

What makes you think that Adam "re-named" his wife? She is simply called "the woman" until she received the name of "Eve".

I read:

Genesis 2:23
And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

more -- see the context of Genesis 2:23:

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
(Genesis 2:19-20)
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Adam named all the animals. every single one. all of them, the scripture says. "whatever the man called each living soul, that was its name"
that word most translations into English render "creature" here is nephesh -- which literally means "soul"
living souls. Adam names them all.

then the LORD formed the woman and brought her to him, just as He had brought each animal. and he ((Adam)) called her "Woman"

whatever the man called each living soul, that was its name
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this is why i say he "re-named" the woman -- because that is what scripture says.

 

[posthuman]

He brought them to the man to see what he would name them
(Genesis 2:19)

He brought her to the man
(Genesis 2:22)

She shall be called ‘Woman'
(Genesis 2:23)

The man named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
(Genesis 3:20)

And the Lord God said,
Behold!!!
The man is become as one of us, to know good and evil!
(Genesis 3:22)
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notice He did not say, 'the man and the woman' -- He said, "the man"
the word is not plural, it is singular.

why does He say "BEHOLD!!!!" about the man, and not the woman?
if this is the result of eating from the tree He says "Behold!" about then why did He only say it about Adam? both ate.


my position is not that Adam is a stupid fool. he was "not deceived" ((1 Tim. 2:14)).
i'm well aware that the 99.95% majority teaching is that Adam was an idiot. i disagree.

 

[posthuman]

I do realise you can associate “walk with Faith” but the question is did Adam and Eve have Faith in God?

why does He say "BEHOLD!!!!" about the man, and not the woman?
if this is the result of eating from the tree He says "Behold!" about then why did He only say it about Adam? both ate.

if God does not declare "BEHOLD!! The man has become like one of us" because Adam ate from the tree -- there is an obvious issue with that position, because He does not say this about the woman, who also ate ((and He does not declare it immediately after their eating, but later)) -- then what is God speaking about as evidence that Adam has changed from a state of 'not like' to 'like' ?

this is order of events:

Adam re-names Woman to Eve.

God replaces their garments of figs with coverings of skin.

God declares "BEHOLD!" that Adam, specifically, has become "like one of us"​

 

[garee]

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

So how did he do it, where/how did Enoch get his faith so strong that God could not wait for him to physically die but took him?

The faith of God is very strong it can move mountains and convert ones heart, giving simply ones the understanding of Him not seen

To walk with God is to understand the spiritual things of God not seen. Enoch and Moses died the first death.


If you begin with the idea that flesh and blood as rudiments of this corrupted creation could enter the kingdom of God not of this world you will end with the same is ideology

Flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God as the heavenly city prepared as His bride the church. Before he died God gave him the faith of God called the hearing of faith (Christ’s) not of Enoch as if the power was of us.

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I would suppose looking at the word that many men have tried to believe Enoch or Moses remains alive until he comes back. It’s a standard idea for those who walk by sight hoping the kingdom could come by observation. The book could be written that show that kind of lie.

This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, "that that disciple should not die": yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Joh 21:19

 

[garee]

I would offer because mankind alone is created in the image and likeness of God as one spirit breathed in represented by two. Mankind has become like one of us .Unlike the other beast of the field .God created them male and female as one creation , not male or female as a separate creations. But like the Father and Son they represent one. Adam did not protect their interest so he remained silent and was declared guilty just as the woman same wage death .

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;(mankind) male and female created he them. (non mankind) Gen 1:26

Mankind has become like one of us but separate from the other (no unity of the one spirit )

 

[mystic7]

why do you think Adam named re-named the Woman "Eve" when He heard God's sentencing of the Serpent?

"because she will be the mother of all the living"

this is a woman who was deceived, has become dead, and was just judged by God. so Adam changes her name to "Eve" which means "life"

is this a faithless act? is Adam stupid and unbelieving? or is Adam wise, and does he have extraordinary faith?

what does God say about it? what's His reaction to what Adam says?

My views, Adam and Eve did not have faith in God. God personally came down and interacted with them.
They saw and spoke with God face to face. God was real. As you are reading my words from another part of the world, you know without seeing my face, I am a real person.
Adam and Eve were created sinless, God was their parent but unfortunately still disobeyed Him.
Then again the same scenario happened in Heaven. One third of the Angels sinned against God in Heaven ( Angels do not need to have faith in God) but lest not forget the two third who never sinned.
Many Christians are very knowledgeable of who Jesus is but do not know Him (myself included)
The disciples walked, talked, ate,slept ( my gosh saw Jesus use the natural latrines) with Jesus for three to three and half years. Did they have faith, no they knew the Lord. But they still had their faults.
The apostle Paul was a classic, for he had an divine encounter (I’ve shed countless tears to have this experience) His life drastically changed after this encounter.
I pray the Lord will help me surrender my Will to be His Will, to be more like Jesus
I believe Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But intimacy/tangible faith comes from a life time of praying and personal experience (walking with God)
I now believe Enoch had tangible faith, faith received by word of mouth through his forefathers: Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

God Bless