Enoch..............so how did he do it?
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If you will read Rev 11. one can find what happens if they are tested by man on earth.
One can bring down fire from the heavens and stop the Rain...... Elijah did this on earth in 2 Kings 1.
Moses was able to turn the water red like that of Blood and brought down all sorts of plagues on Egypt. Exo 7:20...........
In Revelation 11, we see these same type supernatural events.
Jesus Himself said: "No man hath ascended up to heaven.
Not only was Enoch figuratively taken from the society of his day, but
he was also literally removed -translated - so that he was not found. God
took him physically away from the people, just as He later took Moses.
And God buried each so well that neither has ever been found since!
Why A Premature Death ?
We can read that "all the days of Enoch were
three hundred sixty and five years" (Gen. 5:23).
Now look at the entire fifth chapter of Genesis. The shortest
lifespan described, aside from Enoch's, is the seven hundred
and seventy-seven years lifetime of Lamech.
The longest is Methuselah's nine hundred and sixty-nine.
But Enoch lived only three hundred and sixty-five. Why?
Clearly Enoch died a premature death! He did not complete his
normal life cycle. He was cut off, as it were, inthe midst of his days.
But what happened? and Why Lamech's Boast?
Lamech, a descendant of Cain (not the same person listed in the genealogy
of Genesis 5), boasted to his two wives: "I have slain a man to my wounding,
and a young man to my hurt. If Cain be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech
seventy and sevenfold" (Gen. 4:23-24).
The "man"was Cain. Hence Lamech's reference to the fact that God
would take vengeance on anyone who dared to murder Cain.
But who was the "young man"? Enoch at age three hundred and sixty-five
would certainly be considered a young man by his generation.
Enoch walked with God. Furthermore, he prophesied of the coming of Christ
to execute judgment and to convict the ungodly (Jude 14-15). He was in effect
a "preacher of righteousness" (compare II Peter 2:5).
But God's message has never been popular. As a servant of God, Enoch
undoubtedly convicted and enraged many by his message. His life was in
danger. Finally that ungodly generation tolerated Enoch's preaching no longer.
By comparing Lamech's saying with the age of Enoch at his death,
we may deduce from Scripture that Lamech (by himself or with a mob)
stilled Enoch's voice by murder. Don't think this strange or unusual.
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Hebrew tradition reveals that Noah, the great grandson of Enoch,
had to flee for his life in order to carry out the Work of God.
(Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, book I, chapter 3, section 1, ).
"But Noah was very uneasy at what they [the pre Flood world] did;
and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded [urged] them to change
their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield
to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would
kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they hadmarried;
so he departed out of the land"
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God allowed Enoch to be martyred. But He would not permit his body to be
desecrated or publicly displayed. God physically removed his body, very
likely in the sight of his murderers - before they could defile it. Otherwise
how would anyone have known that God had taken him?
A Sign from God
God gave this sign of physical removal as a type for all
those who should later follow Enoch's example of faith. He
was taken physically from the people just as Christians
are to be spiritually removed from the ways of this world.
The physical translation or carrying away of Enoch was
also a sign from God that his faith had been accepted -
God often gives signs (Isaiah 38:7).
The question may arise, why did God allow His righteous
servant Enoch to die? The Bible contains - if you have eyes
to see - a chronicle or obituary of the death of the prophets
and apostles of God throughout history.
Many of the greatest men of the Bible were martyred.
God is concerned with one's physical welfare. But He
is more concerned with one's spiritual state and one's
eternal life.
Enoch had to be willing to die for the truth he preached.
Like every true saint, Enoch is awaiting the hope of the resurrection
and the return of Jesus Christ, the Messiah (Jude 14, 15).
Not only was Enoch figuratively taken from the society of his day, but
he was also literally removed -translated - so that he was not found. God
took him physically away from the people, just as He later took Moses.
And God buried each so well that neither has ever been found since!
Why A Premature Death ?
We can read that "all the days of Enoch were
three hundred sixty and five years" (Gen. 5:23).
Now look at the entire fifth chapter of Genesis. The shortest
lifespan described, aside from Enoch's, is the seven hundred
and seventy-seven years lifetime of Lamech.
The longest is Methuselah's nine hundred and sixty-nine.
But Enoch lived only three hundred and sixty-five. Why?
Clearly Enoch died a premature death! He did not complete his
normal life cycle. He was cut off, as it were, inthe midst of his days.
But what happened? and Why Lamech's Boast?
Lamech, a descendant of Cain (not the same person listed in the genealogy
of Genesis 5), boasted to his two wives: "I have slain a man to my wounding,
and a young man to my hurt. If Cain be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech
seventy and sevenfold" (Gen. 4:23-24).
The "man"was Cain. Hence Lamech's reference to the fact that God
would take vengeance on anyone who dared to murder Cain.
But who was the "young man"? Enoch at age three hundred and sixty-five
would certainly be considered a young man by his generation.
Enoch walked with God. Furthermore, he prophesied of the coming of Christ
to execute judgment and to convict the ungodly (Jude 14-15). He was in effect
a "preacher of righteousness" (compare II Peter 2:5).
But God's message has never been popular. As a servant of God, Enoch
undoubtedly convicted and enraged many by his message. His life was in
danger. Finally that ungodly generation tolerated Enoch's preaching no longer.
By comparing Lamech's saying with the age of Enoch at his death,
we may deduce from Scripture that Lamech (by himself or with a mob)
stilled Enoch's voice by murder. Don't think this strange or unusual.
-
Hebrew tradition reveals that Noah, the great grandson of Enoch,
had to flee for his life in order to carry out the Work of God.
(Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, book I, chapter 3, section 1, ).
"But Noah was very uneasy at what they [the pre Flood world] did;
and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded [urged] them to change
their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield
to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would
kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they hadmarried;
so he departed out of the land"
-
God allowed Enoch to be martyred. But He would not permit his body to be
desecrated or publicly displayed. God physically removed his body, very
likely in the sight of his murderers - before they could defile it. Otherwise
how would anyone have known that God had taken him?
A Sign from God
God gave this sign of physical removal as a type for all
those who should later follow Enoch's example of faith. He
was taken physically from the people just as Christians
are to be spiritually removed from the ways of this world.
The physical translation or carrying away of Enoch was
also a sign from God that his faith had been accepted -
God often gives signs (Isaiah 38:7).
The question may arise, why did God allow His righteous
servant Enoch to die? The Bible contains - if you have eyes
to see - a chronicle or obituary of the death of the prophets
and apostles of God throughout history.
Many of the greatest men of the Bible were martyred.
God is concerned with one's physical welfare. But He
is more concerned with one's spiritual state and one's
eternal life.
Enoch had to be willing to die for the truth he preached.
Like every true saint, Enoch is awaiting the hope of the resurrection
and the return of Jesus Christ, the Messiah (Jude 14, 15).
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Where are you reading that the Lord had a special relationship with Enoch and Noah over other men? The Bible simply says that Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, Genesis 6:8 “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”
Noah was not the last decendent of Adam, Genesis 5:32 “And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.”
Genesis 5:1 “This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.”
Shem, Ham, and Japheth are part of the Geneology of Adam in Genesis chapter 5.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Paul tells us: Abel, Enoch, Noah, and the patriarchs and their wives.
Heb 11:1-12 lists those who had faith and Enoch is included among them.
Then in verse 13 Paul proved that they had not inherited the promises
and had died by saying:
"These all [including Enoch] died in faith."
All his days were three hundred and sixty-five! not a day more
But what about Paul's saying that Enoch "should not see death"?
see post 9
But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see"
is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-what-happens-when-you-die-6.html#post3434471
He shall not see the [second death].
[All men] are appointed once to die.
[No man] has see God, but the Son.
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Now you just added to the word your own embellishment....it does not say ALL men...It is appointed unto men once to die....it does not say ALL because NOT ALL will die......WE which are ALIVE and remain....we shall be CHANGED.....and Elijah was taken up ALIVE in a chariot of fire........and it does not say translated that he should not see the 2nd death.....two additions to the word....alarm bells are ringing....
It's all speculation as the Lord does not reveal who the two witnesses are by name. OT patriarchs seem like good prospects for the job especially those who have special attributes to their departure from this world.
The nation of Israel is not likely to listen to witnesses that are Gentiles.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I see that argument, but I can't agree given this verse as a combined understanding of Genesis 5.
why do you think Adam named re-named the Woman "Eve" when He heard God's sentencing of the Serpent?
"because she will be the mother of all the living"
this is a woman who was deceived, has become dead, and was just judged by God. so Adam changes her name to "Eve" which means "life"
is this a faithless act? is Adam stupid and unbelieving? or is Adam wise, and does he have extraordinary faith?
what does God say about it? what's His reaction to what Adam says?
What makes you think that Adam "re-named" his wife? She is simply called "the woman" until she received the name of "Eve".
If Adam had "extraordinary faith" (as you claim) he would have been the first man of faith recorded in Hebrews 11. Instead it is his son Abel who started the list of those who had faith.
The Bible says that God clothed the pair, and then drove them out of Eden. That was certainly not a sign of His approval of Adam's "extraordinary faith".
Given God has a sense of humor and he invented math.
Enoch was translated 987 years after Adam was created.
What if 987.654321 years?
Given the Bible uses 360 days per year (the first five months of Noah's flood and Revelation tribulation 1260days/3.5years
Enoch lived 355,555.555 days = 987 years and 800 minutes.
Enoch's father was Jared. He lived 800 years after Enoch was born.
355,555.555 days = 507936.50 weeks.
Revelation 2:10, Endure 10 days in prison. Receive the crown of life.
the length of the great tribulation is not long compared to the 1000 years with Jesus as king.
combining the 2 statement into a math proportion.
10 days divided by the crown of life = 1260 days divided by 1000 years.
crown of life = 10,000 divided by 1260 = 7.93650 years.
How many weeks did Enoch live? he lived 507936.50793650 weeks.
7.93650 is the 125th step to the whole number 8.
In other words, 125/126 times 8 = 7.93650
25 is the number that God choose to represent blasphemy.
Blasphemy is believing you are equal or greater than God.
Achan kept 200 plus 50 shekels in Joshua 7-8/
Korah had 250 men on his side when he stood against Moses in Numbers 16.
25,000, exactly 25,100 men of Benjamin stood against Justice in Judges 19-21.
Jesus was crucified for implying that he was equal to God. John 5.
Enoch was translated 987 years after Adam was created.
What if 987.654321 years?
Given the Bible uses 360 days per year (the first five months of Noah's flood and Revelation tribulation 1260days/3.5years
Enoch lived 355,555.555 days = 987 years and 800 minutes.
Enoch's father was Jared. He lived 800 years after Enoch was born.
355,555.555 days = 507936.50 weeks.
Revelation 2:10, Endure 10 days in prison. Receive the crown of life.
the length of the great tribulation is not long compared to the 1000 years with Jesus as king.
combining the 2 statement into a math proportion.
10 days divided by the crown of life = 1260 days divided by 1000 years.
crown of life = 10,000 divided by 1260 = 7.93650 years.
How many weeks did Enoch live? he lived 507936.50793650 weeks.
7.93650 is the 125th step to the whole number 8.
In other words, 125/126 times 8 = 7.93650
25 is the number that God choose to represent blasphemy.
Blasphemy is believing you are equal or greater than God.
Achan kept 200 plus 50 shekels in Joshua 7-8/
Korah had 250 men on his side when he stood against Moses in Numbers 16.
25,000, exactly 25,100 men of Benjamin stood against Justice in Judges 19-21.
Jesus was crucified for implying that he was equal to God. John 5.
Elijah was in the first Heaven, not the third Heaven,
he even penned a letter years after that event.(ii Chron. 21:12)
The bible says no man has been to [the 3rd] heaven and seen God.(John 3:13 )
Heb 11:1-12 The bible says "These all [including Enoch] died in faith." ver. 13
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I read:
Genesis 2:23
And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
While scriptures confirm your claim that no one has seen God; 2 Corinthians 12:2 nevertheless describes an individual having been to the third heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:2 [FONT="]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.[/FONT]