Doomsday Preppers

[Pilgrimshope]

What do you mean chaos will be inside of mankind? and are you saying that there won't be physical manifestation of the end times?

You don't believe there is a supply shortage?

I’m saying Jesus says this regarding that day

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away;

so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35-

do you see what he’s saying ? He uses another example to say the same thing

“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see what I mean ? Life is going on as usual and then suddenly he will come people will be living normal everyday life eating and drinking , buying and selling , marrying and having weddings , building and planting gardens ect

just like mans always done it’s going to be life as usual and then sudden destruction in fact the world is going to seem at peace when it happens

“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s phrase “ as a thief in the night “ is from the gospel teachings of Christ. A thief doesn’t warn you when he’s coming he shows up when you think everything is fine when all seems well he shows up and robs you it’s a teaching that he is going to come when no one expects him and the world seems normal to most folk everyday life

if there is mass chaos , no supplies , and total chaos Jesus and the apostles missed that part and instead described inner chaos in man like the scriptire I quoted for you

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying that’s a good description of today’s world . in other words man Is going to be very wicked and it will seem normal like it does in this day like it did to them on Noah’s day me lots day , that’s basically a description of the present world people are already that way.

but yeah my own belief according to what I’ve studied is really clear that the world is going to be seemingly normal everyday life and then suddenly Jesus will appear d end this world and usher in the new

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

I’m saying Jesus says this regarding that day

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away;

so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35-

do you see what he’s saying ? He uses another example to say the same thing

“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see what I mean ? Life is going on as usual and then suddenly he will come people will be living normal everyday life eating and drinking , buying and selling , marrying and having weddings , building and planting gardens ect

just like mans always done it’s going to be life as usual and then sudden destruction in fact the world is going to seem at peace when it happens

“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s phrase “ as a thief in the night “ is from the gospel teachings of Christ. A thief doesn’t warn you when he’s coming he shows up when you think everything is fine when all seems well he shows up and robs you it’s a teaching that he is going to come when no one expects him and the world seems normal to most folk everyday life

if there is mass chaos , no supplies , and total chaos Jesus and the apostles missed that part and instead described inner chaos in man like the scriptire I quoted for you

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying that’s a good description of today’s world . in other words man Is going to be very wicked and it will seem normal like it does in this day like it did to them on Noah’s day me lots day , that’s basically a description of the present world people are already that way.

but yeah my own belief according to what I’ve studied is really clear that the world is going to be seemingly normal everyday life and then suddenly Jesus will appear d end this world and usher in the new

Ok, I think I get what you're saying and sure I agree to some extent everything will seem normal but I believe that is for the ones that are not looking for his coming or the signs etc? I mean how do you explain what is happening currently?

 

[soberxp]

What I want to say is that God says I am who I am, so what God wants to do will not follow our imagination, but God will follow his own will.


Jesus said, I am not according to my own will, but according to the will of the father.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

What I want to say is that God says I am who I am, so what God wants to do will not follow our imagination, but God will follow his own will.


Jesus said, I am not according to my own will, but according to the will of the father.

I wouldn't want it any other way but I would like to know what God will do

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ok, I think I get what you're saying and sure I agree to some extent everything will seem normal but I believe that is for the ones that are not looking for his coming or the signs etc? I mean how do you explain what is happening currently?

no I actually agree with you. Those who believe the gospel he won’t be coming as a thief and surprise them. They have heard and know to see the thkngs beneath the surface

Noah wasn’t surprised by the flood because God told him and he believed so he prepared himself.

lot wasn’t consumed because God sent messengers to tell Him to leave he believed and left.

for us now who believe the gospel we too have been told he’s coming soon so we’re called to be ready as if he could return tomorrow or in ten years or a thousand. Faith teaches us it’s soon and to be vigilant and always ready so it’s not going to be a surprise when those people see him it’s going to be the day they were waiting for

what I was saying is the world isn’t going to seem any different on the surface but mans wickedness is going to increase and increase

but think about today across the globe there are all the signs were given we see false gods ruling nations by false religion like Islam or Buddhism or the hindreds of other religions. There are wars and rumors of more ears coming

earthquakes have increased more than ever and are happening in places they never have before. Natural disasters often happening

but the condition of man is so bad that a parent can’t safely let thier children walk to school because there is so much oerversion and danger from people out there

there’s a lot of evil in our world is what I was saying about chaos inside of man were not meant to be wicked

sorry I sometimes confuse people lol I agree though with what your saying there

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

no I actually agree with you. Those who believe the gospel he won’t be coming as a thief and surprise them. They have heard and know to see the thkngs beneath the surface

Noah wasn’t surprised by the flood because God told him and he believed so he prepared himself.

lot wasn’t consumed because God sent messengers to tell Him to leave he believed and left.

for us now who believe the gospel we too have been told he’s coming soon so we’re called to be ready as if he could return tomorrow or in ten years or a thousand. Faith teaches us it’s soon and to be vigilant and always ready so it’s not going to be a surprise when those people see him it’s going to be the day they were waiting for

what I was saying is the world isn’t going to seem any different on the surface but mans wickedness is going to increase and increase

but think about today across the globe there are all the signs were given we see false gods ruling nations by false religion like Islam or Buddhism or the hindreds of other religions. There are wars and rumors of more ears coming

earthquakes have increased more than ever and are happening in places they never have before. Natural disasters often happening

but the condition of man is so bad that a parent can’t safely let thier children walk to school because there is so much oerversion and danger from people out there

there’s a lot of evil in our world is what I was saying about chaos inside of man were not meant to be wicked

sorry I sometimes confuse people lol I agree though with what your saying there

Yes, I'm not sure if you read my OP but I was basically saying that yes we need to prepare spiritually etc, but how do you prepare externally etc. I guess that was the point of my post, not sure if you read it?

 

[soberxp]

I wouldn't want it any other way but I would like to know what God will do

I can only say that if the world is going to end, it will only be produced by human beings following their own will.

various epidemic situations(Biological and chemical weapons leak)
World War
nuclear war
Economic collapse


If these things happen, which is God's will?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, I'm not sure if you read my OP but I was basically saying that yes we need to prepare spiritually etc, but how do you prepare externally etc. I guess that was the point of my post, not sure if you read it?

yes of course I read your post . I agreed with a lot of it I had just addressed a question to you regarding ehybdontoubsupoose they think there’s a supply shortage ?

You don’t prepare externally you put on the spiritual man formed by believing the gospel Jesus teachings

you don this to prepare its 100 percent right here

“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need to conform tonthe spiritual man the gospel creates in us. my point about supplies and surface things was there’s no need to prepare for those external Things because it’s going to be life as usual regarding things like food , water , housing all the basic needs those things are always going to be available

preparation is to learn and believe the gospel that’s the only way to prepare we walk by faith not sight remember ?

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we start to let the gospel shape how we believe and think that is our preparation in this world to partake of the next

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Like Noah was told how to be saved we have been also we just need to step into the gospel and let him create faith of everlasting life in his kingdom . that’s all we can do is believe forst and then share the gospel with others so they can be prepared

but a disclaimer to you I am just expressing what I believe and the fruits of what I myself have studied so I’m not claiming an infallible answer just discussing my view with you

 

[Heaven_Bound]

A lot of people believe that they won’t go through the end time tribulation, so maybe this is not for them, but I was curious about surviving through the tribulation when times get tough.

I have different views on the matter. Some people go all out and store food, items , build underground bunks, etc for a doomsday event, not so much because they are doing it from a biblical perspective etc.

But for those that do believe they’ll go through it, What is the necessary steps, if any, that should be taken. And I’m not referring to spiritual preparation, obviously that is first priority and a must. I’m referring to the physical aspect of the tribulation that will occur.

Two views come to mind when I think about “prepping” for such an event. One being the story of Joseph in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. They collected, prepared for the years of famine during the time of plenty. Is that something we should be doing?

But then the second view comes to mind, the manna in the desert. God said only to collect the ration for the day and not to collect more than needed and sure enough the ones that did got worms in the manna. Does that mean we should not be storing or preparing in such manner and just hope and trust God everything will be alright?

The first thing, a couple Bibles!

Since it appears, that Technology will play a Big Role during the Tribulation (Quantum Computing, REFID Chips that Mark You/allow you to Bank/Insurance/Medical/Shop/Identification/Credit Card Access/Clock In and Out from Work/plus comes with a Tracking to spy on you) means with Chinese/Russian/American Spy Military Satellites with the capability of being TEN ORBITS from Earth and still read a face of a dime on a side walk, Believers will definitely be Off-Grid.

Off-Grid would mean being in areas Satellites/Planes/Copters/Drones have little access to like heavy dense Mountain Forest. That would require Camping Gear/Mummy Sleeping bags, Hunting Gear (Rifles/Compound Bows/CrossBow/Hand Guns), Military Grade Charcoal Filters for river and Stream Water, Rain Gear, mid size shovels for digging pits for fire to cook and heat with, a Guide Book to recognize wild mushrooms and plants to eat and be safe, wild berries ect, Cooking Gear, Compass.

The biggest issue with underground bunkers are the amount of Diesel required for generators and other necessities. There might be Electricity, but that can be traced. So, being mobile and ready to move at a moments notice is probably the best for long term survival. Having motorcycles or 4 Wheeler's are nice, but you're back to having Diesel Access. So 3 pairs of military Grade boots or equivalent would be advisable. A selection of knives from Bowie to pockets knives would be a good idea. Flint Rocks and Strikers would be ideal. And that shovel to dig fire pits comes in handy to bury human and other waste to keep wild life from becoming too attracted to your whereabouts. Finding Caves would be a great idea because there will be a group of people surviving and working as a Unit and many bodies create heat in a closed environment like a Cave.

A hand wound radio would be a really good asset.

If you have dark tarps and can keep them in decent condition, one for the ground, then set your tent up, and one above to shelter from rain, plus it gives cover from the sky.

Rope

Sewing Kit

Canteen

Flash Light if you can get constant access to batteries.

I would say when you're Mobile and moving around, Your total gear should max out about 100 pounds. So definitely need efficient backpacks. The Compass within the Knife would be most ideal.

Fishing Pole, earthworms are everywhere + what you catch to eat, the eyeballs are great for bait and the guts. Even animal kills innards will work.


That's just immediately off the top of my head what I have access to already. But I am always thinking about more. Toothbrush, but it's unlikely anyone is shaving and using daily deodorant. And that stuff attracts animals, so stench is a good thing in the woods

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

yes of course I read your post . I agreed with a lot of it I had just addressed a question to you regarding ehybdontoubsupoose they think there’s a supply shortage ?

You don’t prepare externally you put on the spiritual man formed by believing the gospel Jesus teachings

you don this to prepare its 100 percent right here

“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need to conform tonthe spiritual man the gospel creates in us. my point about supplies and surface things was there’s no need to prepare for those external Things because it’s going to be life as usual regarding things like food , water , housing all the basic needs those things are always going to be available

preparation is to learn and believe the gospel that’s the only way to prepare we walk by faith not sight remember ?

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we start to let the gospel shape how we believe and think that is our preparation in this world to partake of the next

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Like Noah was told how to be saved we have been also we just need to step into the gospel and let him create faith of everlasting life in his kingdom . that’s all we can do is believe forst and then share the gospel with others so they can be prepared

but a disclaimer to you I am just expressing what I believe and the fruits of what I myself have studied so I’m not claiming an infallible answer just discussing my view with you

Ok, now I get what you're saying and I suppose you might be right. I guess my "flesh" wants to be prepared for anything external. heh I was a bit convicted reading

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

by wanting to be prepared physically but at the same time like I mentioned God warned Joseph of the famine etc its not entirely unbiblical to be prepared, I think.

 

[montana123]

A lot of people believe that they won’t go through the end time tribulation, so maybe this is not for them, but I was curious about surviving through the tribulation when times get tough.

I have different views on the matter. Some people go all out and store food, items , build underground bunks, etc for a doomsday event, not so much because they are doing it from a biblical perspective etc.

But for those that do believe they’ll go through it, What is the necessary steps, if any, that should be taken. And I’m not referring to spiritual preparation, obviously that is first priority and a must. I’m referring to the physical aspect of the tribulation that will occur.

Two views come to mind when I think about “prepping” for such an event. One being the story of Joseph in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. They collected, prepared for the years of famine during the time of plenty. Is that something we should be doing?

But then the second view comes to mind, the manna in the desert. God said only to collect the ration for the day and not to collect more than needed and sure enough the ones that did got worms in the manna. Does that mean we should not be storing or preparing in such manner and just hope and trust God everything will be alright?

What is there to prepare for when the saints will be on the run and hunted at the time.

The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints and prevail against them.

And they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years.

And when they shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things shall be finished.

The 7 years period is the time that God causes all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

For the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world so the saints will remain on earth.

In the middle of the 7 years period the beast claims to be God and blasphemes against God and His tabernacle which He would not have to do that unless the saints were still on earth which he is saying do not follow the Christian religion which he will persecute all people which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Then for the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and God brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

It would seem like the saints would have to be on the run too much for them to prepare for the tribulation for they will hunt the saints will a fury that rivals Hitler for they will have the nature of a devil for following the beast.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ok, now I get what you're saying and I suppose you might be right. I guess my "flesh" wants to be prepared for anything external. heh I was a bit convicted reading

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

by wanting to be prepared physically but at the same time like I mentioned God warned Joseph of the famine etc its not entirely unbiblical to be prepared, I think.

nope not at all I think what we have to do is stay true to whatever faith God has instilled in us md also understand that others have to keep in step with whatever faith they have been given

I appreciate the discussion and good spirit you express God bless and keep you in all thkngs Jesus Christ

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

The first thing, a couple Bibles!

Since it appears, that Technology will play a Big Role during the Tribulation (Quantum Computing, REFID Chips that Mark You/allow you to Bank/Insurance/Medical/Shop/Identification/Credit Card Access/Clock In and Out from Work/plus comes with a Tracking to spy on you) means with Chinese/Russian/American Spy Military Satellites with the capability of being TEN ORBITS from Earth and still read a face of a dime on a side walk, Believers will definitely be Off-Grid.

Off-Grid would mean being in areas Satellites/Planes/Copters/Drones have little access to like heavy dense Mountain Forest. That would require Camping Gear/Mummy Sleeping bags, Hunting Gear (Rifles/Compound Bows/CrossBow/Hand Guns), Military Grade Charcoal Filters for river and Stream Water, Rain Gear, mid size shovels for digging pits for fire to cook and heat with, a Guide Book to recognize wild mushrooms and plants to eat and be safe, wild berries ect, Cooking Gear, Compass.

The biggest issue with underground bunkers are the amount of Diesel required for generators and other necessities. There might be Electricity, but that can be traced. So, being mobile and ready to move at a moments notice is probably the best for long term survival. Having motorcycles or 4 Wheeler's are nice, but you're back to having Diesel Access. So 3 pairs of military Grade boots or equivalent would be advisable. A selection of knives from Bowie to pockets knives would be a good idea. Flint Rocks and Strikers would be ideal. And that shovel to dig fire pits comes in handy to bury human and other waste to keep wild life from becoming too attracted to your whereabouts. Finding Caves would be a great idea because there will be a group of people surviving and working as a Unit and many bodies create heat in a closed environment like a Cave.

A hand wound radio would be a really good asset.

If you have dark tarps and can keep them in decent condition, one for the ground, then set your tent up, and one above to shelter from rain, plus it gives cover from the sky.

Rope

Sewing Kit

Canteen

Flash Light if you can get constant access to batteries.

I would say when you're Mobile and moving around, Your total gear should max out about 100 pounds. So definitely need efficient backpacks. The Compass within the Knife would be most ideal.

Fishing Pole, earthworms are everywhere + what you catch to eat, the eyeballs are great for bait and the guts. Even animal kills innards will work.


That's just immediately off the top of my head what I have access to already. But I am always thinking about more. Toothbrush, but it's unlikely anyone is shaving and using daily deodorant. And that stuff attracts animals, so stench is a good thing in the woods

LOL I've been trying to get stuff as it comes to mind but I am no expert in survival LOL I can check batteries, sewing kit off the list and a few other items but I feel utterly unprepared for surviving in the wilderness LOL this really fascinates me even if I never live through end time events etc.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

LOL I've been trying to get stuff as it comes to mind but I am no expert in survival LOL I can check batteries, sewing kit off the list and a few other items but I feel utterly unprepared for surviving in the wilderness LOL this really fascinates me even if I never live through end time events etc.

that’s just good common sense lol

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

What is there to prepare for when the saints will be on the run and hunted at the time.

The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints and prevail against them.

And they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years.

And when they shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things shall be finished.

The 7 years period is the time that God causes all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

For the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world so the saints will remain on earth.

In the middle of the 7 years period the beast claims to be God and blasphemes against God and His tabernacle which He would not have to do that unless the saints were still on earth which he is saying do not follow the Christian religion which he will persecute all people which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Then for the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and God brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

It would seem like the saints would have to be on the run too much for them to prepare for the tribulation for they will hunt the saints will a fury that rivals Hitler for they will have the nature of a devil for following the beast.

Yes, at least maybe could be prepared until it is viably impossible to do so?

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

I can only say that if the world is going to end, it will only be produced by human beings following their own will.

various epidemic situations(Biological and chemical weapons leak)
World War
nuclear war
Economic collapse


If these things happen, which is God's will?

Oh, I just saw your post. Can you elaborate by what you mean with, which is God's will?

 

[soberxp]

Oh, I just saw your post. Can you elaborate by what you mean with, which is God's will?

Not one of these is will of God.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

Not one of these is will of God.

So what is? The opposite? but how is that done? humanity really seems bent up in destroying themselves. Sigh

 

[soberxp]

So what is? The opposite? but how is that done? humanity really seems bent up in destroying themselves. Sigh

God intended to save all people, but the plan of Salvation will be the same as in Noah's time,All we have to do is prepare the way of the Lord and straighten the way of the Lord，as Noah build Ark.

If everyone is ready, the world will become a new heaven and new earth.

if not everyone is ready, the world will pass away, there will be still a new heaven and new earth.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

God intended to save all people, but the plan of Salvation will be the same as in Noah's time,All we have to do is prepare the way of the Lord and straighten the way of the Lord，as Noah build Ark.

If everyone is ready, the world will become a new heaven and new earth.

if not everyone is ready, the world will pass away, there will be still a new heaven and new earth.

and how do we prepare the way?