Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

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Cameron143

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Hi @Cameron143

Yeah, I try to see the government as I believe God asks us to see the governing authorities that He has placed over us in order that we have a workable society in which to live. And fortunately, in the country in which I live, everyone gets to choose who they would like to rule over them. Not on an individual basis, but on a collective national basis. I'm good with that.
I'm good with it too. I've also noticed that an educated populace tends to make better decisions.
 

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Well, on this occasion you had two temporary blips in succession. As your graph shows, from about 1972 to 1974 inflation was close or under 4%. You had a small blip in '69-'70, and another end of '74 till probably '79. Yes, that one wasn't a very small blip and some of the events can be 3-4 years getting reconciled. We've handled this one fairly quickly, but it's still anyone's guess where we might go from here for sure. But it looks like it's coming back under control under the leadership of the present administration. Word is that the Fed might be dropping interest rates for the foreseeable future if we can keep the inflation under control. That will spur some more investment capital and economic growth, generally.

We really do need to get a handle on housing costs. We've just got to do better producing affordable housing for the low income.
Inflation is cumulative. Simply reducing the rate of inflation doesn't lower costs. The increase in prices remains and continues to climb. Not to point this out is a tad disingenuous. You should tell the whole story.
 

Cameron143

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Hi @Cameron143

Yeah, I try to see the government as I believe God asks us to see the governing authorities that He has placed over us in order that we have a workable society in which to live. And fortunately, in the country in which I live, everyone gets to choose who they would like to rule over them. Not on an individual basis, but on a collective national basis. I'm good with that.
Another question:

Do you believe Hamas is a terrorist organization?
 

tedincarolina

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You don't understand inflation either. Inflation is caused by poor monetary policy. When you print money that is not in response to increases in the production of goods and services and introduce the money into the economy, inflation will always be the result.
Hey @Cameron143

Ok, I'll go with your reasoning and just say it's happened before and it'll happen again.
Inflation was exacerbated during the pandemic because not only was demand increased, but supply chain problems decreased supplies.
Yes, but supply inflation is generally reversible. Just as we've seen with goods and commodities since the end of the pandemic. Prices shot up and then settled. There is more than one reason for inflationary periods. It isn't always some monetary policy.

Prices are not going down, but continue to increase.
No, price increases caused by wage increases don't generally go down. That's why you're not paying 32¢ for a loaf of bread today. Inflation usually only goes down when it is supply imbalance. That sort of inflation can be brought down because supply issues generally get resolved. But wage inflation never goes down unless the worker is willing to take a pay cut back to his old wages.

If you were paying $12 for 5 pounds of ground beef and now are paying $18, you know you are paying 50% more than before.
Yes, that's right. What is the percentage of increase in gasoline costs from 1970, of 36¢ to 2014's cost at $3.40? Sure, I understand how percentages work. I'm reasonably smart at mathematics. What was the price of bread's percentage increase from 1950 of 14¢ to 2010's price at $1.63? What, you believe that some increase in prices is some new thing that's never happened before and you're scaring yourself with some percentage that's been repeated over and over and over again over the last 80 years.

BTW the average price of ground beef in 2020 was $4.12. The average price today is $5.71. That's a $1.60 increase over 4 years. Now it's slowing down and will likely hang around the $5.60 to 5.99 price for a bit. We'll see. That's usually how wage inflation works. Of course, the national average may not be true for your area, but the percentages should stay roughly the same.

God bless, friend. And vote wisely.
 

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Inflation is cumulative. Simply reducing the rate of inflation doesn't lower costs.
That's true. As I have pointed out in the above example when it is wage inflation. Or any inflation caused by a production cost increase that isn't likely to go back down. Remember how expensive lumber was 3 years ago. I was paying $10 for a 2x4 stud. Today it's back down to a reasonable $4/stud. That was supply inflation caused by the pandemic shutdown. When that issue was resolved and supply came back in line with demand, the prices dropped. That kind of inflation can reverse. But wage or production cost inflation never, or very, very rarely drops. Because the underlying cost increase isn't going to go back to where it was and so the price of the finished product isn't going to go back to where it was.
 

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Another question:

Do you believe Hamas is a terrorist organization?
Sure I do. Hamas isn't much different than any of the other dozen or so Arab/muslim nation terrorist groups. Their goal is to wipe the U.S. and Israel off the face of the earth. Absolutely they are a terrorist organization. Do I win some prize for that answer?

And are you not seeing some of the laws and penalties they are bringing on their books involving women's education and opportunities in their society?
 

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Hey @Cameron143

Ok, I'll go with your reasoning and just say it's happened before and it'll happen again.


Yes, but supply inflation is generally reversible. Just as we've seen with goods and commodities since the end of the pandemic. Prices shot up and then settled. There is more than one reason for inflationary periods. It isn't always some monetary policy.



No, price increases caused by wage increases don't generally go down. That's why you're not paying 32¢ for a loaf of bread today. Inflation usually only goes down when it is supply imbalance. That sort of inflation can be brought down because supply issues generally get resolved. But wage inflation never goes down unless the worker is willing to take a pay cut back to his old wages.



Yes, that's right. What is the percentage of increase in gasoline costs from 1970, of 36¢ to 2014's cost at $3.40? Sure, I understand how percentages work. I'm reasonably smart at mathematics. What was the price of bread's percentage increase from 1950 of 14¢ to 2010's price at $1.63? What, you believe that some increase in prices is some new thing that's never happened before and you're scaring yourself with some percentage that's been repeated over and over and over again over the last 80 years.

BTW the average price of ground beef in 2020 was $4.12. The average price today is $5.71. That's a $1.60 increase over 4 years. Now it's slowing down and will likely hang around the $5.60 to 5.99 price for a bit. We'll see. That's usually how wage inflation works. Of course, the national average may not be true for your area, but the percentages should stay roughly the same.

God bless, friend. And vote wisely.
More babble. Inflation is what drives labor costs which in turn increases prices. It's called a wage-price spiral. And you like to talk around the point. You voted for those who caused the inflation knowing their actions would cause inflation. They purposely brought hardship on vast numbers of Americans, and continue to do so. You are quick to point out failures of the right, yet excuse those you vote for. And since the same people have pledged to let tax cuts expire and promise new taxes and more deficit spending, there will be more hardship. And you are voting for it.
 

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Sure I do. Hamas isn't much different than any of the other dozen or so Arab/muslim nation terrorist groups. Their goal is to wipe the U.S. and Israel off the face of the earth. Absolutely they are a terrorist organization. Do I win some prize for that answer?

And are you not seeing some of the laws and penalties they are bringing on their books involving women's education and opportunities in their society?
No prize. You are voting for the party that supports Hamas and continued terrorism. I wonder why you promote terrorism.
 

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No prize. You are voting for the party that supports Hamas and continued terrorism. I wonder why you promote terrorism.
In watching a stream of short clips, I caught a short clip that observed the characteristic of 'naivety' in the leftist mentality and realized that is what the more 'brilliant' ones are taking such advantage of. Much like Biden's "you're not black unless" campaign, it's a "you're not virtuous if" campaign.

Skimming through the threads (specifically the GAP one), I was compelled to consider the war in heaven, in regard to who actually 'waged' it. And I thought, what would happen, if the SEDENA decided to send a ragtag troop of Mexican soldiers into, say San Antonio, to pillage it? Would that be an act of war? or 'waging' war? Or does it necessarily have to be "declared."? I mean, is it merely a 'protest' if it weren't declared?
 

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On this we certainly agree.

VP Harris does not support, nor democrats support such extreme abortion measures.
You are either ignorant on this issue, or are knowingly lying.
Hi @PennEd

No, I'm just a regular citizen who votes. I'm retired and don't involve myself with volunteering or running any of the campaigns. I just vote.
I flat out don't believe you.

You show up here a couple of weeks ago, just as the election is heating up, posting almost exclusively in political threads, bashing President Trump, and extolling communist Kommiela.
 

tedincarolina

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I flat out don't believe you.

You show up here a couple of weeks ago, just as the election is heating up, posting almost exclusively in political threads, bashing President Trump, and extolling communist Kommiela.
Wow! You conspiracy minded folks are laughable at your assumptions from which you make your worldview. You honestly believe in your heart that you know I'm some kind of political plant or something. It's really sad that some people think like that in their minds. You don't believe my testimony as to who I am because you know it's some kind of political conspiracy that I'm posting on these boards now. Wow!

Man, God bless you, but try using your other brain cause the one you're using just isn't working right. LOL!
 

tedincarolina

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On this we certainly agree.
Hi @PennEd

Except that isn't what I wrote. You have doctored my quote. When I wrote it, there was a period between 'liar' and 'VP Harris'. You have taken out the period to meet your agenda. And yeah, that's exactly why I don't trust people who are like you and vote like you. You misrepresent others and what they say and then make an entire scenario made up from your made up scenario. I didn't write what you're claiming that I wrote.

It's sad, that a believer feels that they have to willfully misrepresent another person's words in order to justify their anger and anxiety in all of this. I mean, the period is there in the original statement and so you had to willfully delete the period in your copy of my words.

Look, God bless you. And if you feel it necessary to lie to support your position, then that's what you'll do. But I will defend my words when wrongfully used.

So now you have proven yourself to be a liar and a man who can't even consider that there are other real human beings that don't agree with you. Nope, I don't want to be like you and I'm pretty sure that you aren't representing Jesus in what you've just done.
 

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Let us all take comfort in the Book of Nahum.

Nahum means "comfort" and the book shows that the judgment on sin is inescapable. So you don't need to fret about wrong doers, sinners, and all the problems they are causing. The Lord will deal with that, it is inescapable for them.
 

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All four gospels only have a few stories common to all. Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a donkey is one of them.

All the people were saying Hosanna, which means "save now" and for most of them that meant save them from the Romans. So the idea that the Bible and the gospels does not talk about politics is absurd. Of course it does. This may come as a shock to many but that donkey Jesus was riding on was not a born again, sanctified and redeemed human being. It was a donkey. A word that can refer to a foolish human being.

There are three groups of people in this picture. First of course are those telling us to not cheer the Lord's entrance, those are the religious leaders that are under the Lord's judgment. He already told them that their decision and proclamation that He was healing people "by Beelezebub" was an unforgiveable sin and they would be destroyed in forty years (the sign of Jonah). The second group of course were the followers of Jesus and Jesus, but this included Judas. So even in this relatively small group you do have at least one false prophet. The third group was the cheering crowd who in the very same week will be shouting "crucify Him".

So remember that and make sure you are part of the right group embracing the Lord's salvation and not some political fairy tale or the nasty words of the religious leaders.
 

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Hi @HeIsHere

I'm glad to hear you say that and I completely agree that we're living in what seems obviously to be a very dangerous time for our nation. And looking across the globe, is also becoming a very dangerous time for the world.

But that's what God has warned us the last days will be like. The days when there is no fear of God in their eyes. The days in which love has grown cold. The days that Paul wrote of to the Roman believers nearly 2,000 years ago. The world is going to get ugly. Of that I have no doubt and there's no reason that the U.S. won't be a part of that. The Scriptures tell us that in the very last days, all the nations of the earth will rise up against Israel. If the U.S. is still around when that day comes, then we will also rise up against Israel. And we are seeing that possibility even now with so many protests for the cause of the Gazans over the Israeli's right to peace and security within their borders. Their borders that a group from Gaza went in and slaughtered over 100 Jews. Just mowed them down as they were enjoying a day out with family and friends.

Even now, at least one of the Arab leaders has declared that their goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the map. We are living in tenuous times. But I don't believe that the GOP contender has the guts to stand up for their righteousness. He waffles on pretty much everything. He isn't even the man he claimed to be on abortion today, as he was 8 years ago.

He didn't get his border wall finished because he just doesn't know how to work with people and unfortunately for him, our government isn't established that he can just make all the rules about how we live our lives. That's why he is so enamored with Putin and Kim and Xi. He desires the kind of control that they have over their people. The ability to be a king who can stand up and say, "What I say goes!!!"

But I don't want a government like that. That kind of government puts too much power in the hands of one person for my likes.

So, I'm going with the person who I see as being reasonably honest. Really shows care for the people. Oh, she may not do everything as I want it done, but I'm 69 years old. There hasn't yet been a national leader that's done everything that I wanted done. But of the two, I'm more in line with VP Harris's vision of the future of our country over the GOP contender's vision.

I'm not worried about the border. We're a nation that is established by the people of other nations. That actually qualifies America as being the Beast out of the sea. And we're not going to change that by closing the borders now. And we're not going to put more people to work by closing the borders now. I know that they're not getting coverage from Medicaid. I know that they're not getting SS or welfare. I understand how those social plans work for Americans.

But you're being fed a long list of lies about them so that you'll be fearful of them. You'll hate them because you believe that they're getting the things that you're being told that they are getting. I know they're not. You're being told that the vast majority of them are rapists and murderers and thieves. But that isn't true. The vast majority of them are just people with families who want a better life for themselves and America has always held itself up as being the greatest nation on the face of the earth with the greatest people on the face of the earth. WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT?

But it's ok. They aren't going to destroy us. Our crime waves are predominantly good old native born Americans. In fact, an illegal would be crazy to do such a thing because that's sure way back home. You're being told that these other nations are emptying their jails and insane asylums and sending them to us. That just isn't true. I mean it just isn't and anyone who would believe that without checking where these people are coming from is, as far as I'm concerned, just not very bright. Gullible would be the reasonably correct word that I'd use. Your eyes are enamored, and your itching ears are being told exactly what you want to hear. That's ok with me, but I'm not going there.

For me, the better choice of national leader for the next four years is someone I can respect as a person and look up to and say that they seem to have lived a good life. Someone who realizes that being president doesn't make them an expert weatherman or a medical researcher. Someone who doesn't seem to have a problem talking about the good in others and isn't so drawn to be ugly and mean with those who aren't in agreement.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted

I have no words. Double sigh.:(
 

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There is no group of women who are aborting their babies within the last month of their pregnancy. That is only done for the life of the mother or child and would be done under any of the existing state laws in the very, very rare instance that such a thing even comes to happen. Why do you all believe all this nonsense?

They do occur and are most often elective.
This is a common line that democrats parrot but is untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

One among many.

But the truth is that 10,000 babies’ lives are lost every year to late-term abortions, the majority of which take place for elective reasons. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...abortions-are-real-and-they-happen-every-day/
 

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First, most of what you wrote is not scriptural. As scripture makes exceedingly clear, we are saved by grace, not works. No one is going to the lake of fire because they once voted for a Democrat for Parks Commissioner.
Christians need to vote Biblically. That is what I said that is the point. End of story.

Second, I don't know how much attention you pay to policy and politics, but Democrats do not support open borders,
They have for 3.5 years. Don't pee on us and say it's raining. Dems think everyone is as easily deluded as their followers are. smh

and the border is actually closed now and has been since President Biden's EO.
Whew, good thing he put the hammer down! Just in time or thousands of illegals would have, hey wait and minute....


Third, the people who are struggling to feed their kids are too poor to pay income tax.
Everyone is struggling!! Everyone is paying more!! Local pantries to help people can't keep up!



Plus, the Dems support expanded support for such families, such as SNAP, whereas Republicans do everything they can to cut it and kick people off of it.
Just stop it. Stop with the Dem propaganda. Obama added more people on the dole than ever. No we don't want more people needing handouts and cradle to grave help. Trump got them J O B S!! Right and they were grateful for it. Most people want the dignity of work not living off the gov't. If it was up to Dems they'd have us all on the dole, living in affordable housing shacks. smh


And as I think we covered before, no political party is morally pure and perfect.
One is closer to Biblical principles. That is simple fact.



One could argue that by voting Republican, you are voting for bombing innocent women and children,
Hahahahahah!!! Look around!! We had peace when Trump was in office. No, you can't argue that. rofl!!!

favoring lovers of money,
Hahahahahah!!! Do you know where the Obama's live??? Bro, did you see how fast they tossed the illegals that got on the same island the Obama's and Oprah and the elite were on??? They left so fast they didn't know they had been there!!! smh You're hilarious!

and denying food to the hungry,
Now you're just being ridiculous. smh No one gives more to charity, no one has more soup kitchens, more food and clothes drives. I'm in the south, the Bible belt and churches are always doing drives. Coats for kids for the winter. People give more to charity when asked to give than forced to give. Floods and tornadoes, common to the south and we are ALWAYS first on scene, churches open to donate. Yeah, that one is just a flat out lie.

But as scripture makes clear, what saves us is faith in Christ and God's grace.
You can be determined you're right all you want. Voting Bibilically is what a Christian does. If you can vote for a party that wanted God's name stricken, that literally celebrates abortion, murder of the innocents, that champions man hating feminists while also pushing homosexuality and transgenders, and children changing their sex and bodies for life, tearing apart their bodies, you're not a Christian. If you can turn a blind eye to parents being called terrorists because they don't boys in girls bathrooms and showers or having drag queen story hour where they shake their penis in childrens faces, or books on how to arouse your gay lover. If you can turn a blind eye to that, you are not a Christian. If you can watch children here go without food and proper clothes but have no issue with an open border... there is simply no way you can vote Biblically and be a Dem. They have become too radical, too against Christianity, against God. That's just fact.