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The Elect are the Elect because God foreknows that they will both believe Jesus and trust in His atonement and persist in the faith unto their deaths..
A person can believe for a time but that does not make them part of the Elect.. Only those who keep the faith till their deaths ( Or rapture
what ever comes first ) are the Elect of God..
The parable of the sower of the seeds Matthew Chapter 13.. is a good description of different types of people some who persist in the Faith for a short time and then fall away because of varied reasons.. But one group persists in belief and they bare much fruit / increase .. they are the Elect..
A person can believe for a time but that does not make them part of the Elect.. Only those who keep the faith till their deaths ( Or rapture
what ever comes first ) are the Elect of God..The parable of the sower of the seeds Matthew Chapter 13.. is a good description of different types of people some who persist in the Faith for a short time and then fall away because of varied reasons.. But one group persists in belief and they bare much fruit / increase .. they are the Elect..
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If a person remains a Christian nothing can separate them from the Love of God in Jesus Christ..
In a way God loves everyone.. No matter if they believe or Not because God is perfect.. But yeah to receive the full benefits from Gods love ( salvation ) one must love God.. It takes two to have a real relationship.. Unrequited love prevents a full relationship..
By ceasing to have faith in the LORD Jesus..
In a way God loves everyone.. No matter if they believe or Not because God is perfect.. But yeah to receive the full benefits from Gods love ( salvation ) one must love God.. It takes two to have a real relationship.. Unrequited love prevents a full relationship..
By ceasing to have faith in the LORD Jesus..
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The example you gave is a good example of apostasy.. pushing a doctrine that states that a sin is not a sin ( like homosexual behavior ) will cause a homosexual who embraces that doctrine of demons to stop acknowledging their sin as sin to God and if forgiveness is not sought by a sinner then that sin shall never be forgiven and so the Atonement of the LORD Jesus will never cover it.. So that person will be condemned at the final judgement even as they cry Lord Lord..
There are a number of these types of doctrines invented to sabotage a persons walk with the LORD.. Plenty of works salvation type doctrines also sabotage a persons walk with the LORD..
There are a number of these types of doctrines invented to sabotage a persons walk with the LORD.. Plenty of works salvation type doctrines also sabotage a persons walk with the LORD..
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“You introduced another topic. The first was dealing with security for the believer. I believe those in Christ are eternally secure, but not because left to himself man wouldn't mess things up,but because God is faithful to preserve His children in Christ.”
How is it another topic ? You said God is faithful and that’s what saves us . I asked you jay what about the people who are lost ? If God is faithful to one and that’s what saves them apart from themselves just gods Will does it magically .
then what about the lost why are they lost and why does God judge then based upon what they have done ? Was this because God wasn’t faithful to them ? Was it because he made them unable to believe then punished then for it ?
i think it’s a pretty logical point if God saves us apart from our choices and will then the lost are also lost apart from thier choices and will
If it’s just about Gods faithfulness and his Will then what happened to the poor lost ? Wasn’t God faithful or merciful enough to save them ? Maybe he just created then so he could take out his wrath ?
My point in showing you that Gods Will is that all men be saved and come to repentance so they don’t perish
should make you think ok if Gods Will is that all men repent and be saved ….and if God has said we are all going to stand before him and give account for every deed and word …..
maybe there’s something more to it maybe God doesn’t create one man to live in peace and another to suffer in agony regardless of what each chose and did on those lives
maybe Gods judgement day for people based upon thier own deeds and works maybe he didn’t force them into those actions d then judge them as if it’s thier own fault ?
Do you see the other side of “ election “ ?
if I’m randomly elected “ phew “ but if I’m randomly cast away into torment for things I had no control over no choice in wow that looks a lot different ….no wonder they don’t believe right ? I wouldn’t believe in a God who made me to suffer in torment either for things. Didn’t really do because I had no choice in the matter
if the saved are only saved by Gods Will what about the lost ? What did they do wrong ? Or was it just for Gods enjoyment ?
How is it another topic ? You said God is faithful and that’s what saves us . I asked you jay what about the people who are lost ? If God is faithful to one and that’s what saves them apart from themselves just gods Will does it magically .
then what about the lost why are they lost and why does God judge then based upon what they have done ? Was this because God wasn’t faithful to them ? Was it because he made them unable to believe then punished then for it ?
i think it’s a pretty logical point if God saves us apart from our choices and will then the lost are also lost apart from thier choices and will
If it’s just about Gods faithfulness and his Will then what happened to the poor lost ? Wasn’t God faithful or merciful enough to save them ? Maybe he just created then so he could take out his wrath ?
My point in showing you that Gods Will is that all men be saved and come to repentance so they don’t perish
should make you think ok if Gods Will is that all men repent and be saved ….and if God has said we are all going to stand before him and give account for every deed and word …..
maybe there’s something more to it maybe God doesn’t create one man to live in peace and another to suffer in agony regardless of what each chose and did on those lives
maybe Gods judgement day for people based upon thier own deeds and works maybe he didn’t force them into those actions d then judge them as if it’s thier own fault ?
Do you see the other side of “ election “ ?
if I’m randomly elected “ phew “ but if I’m randomly cast away into torment for things I had no control over no choice in wow that looks a lot different ….no wonder they don’t believe right ? I wouldn’t believe in a God who made me to suffer in torment either for things. Didn’t really do because I had no choice in the matter
if the saved are only saved by Gods Will what about the lost ? What did they do wrong ? Or was it just for Gods enjoyment ?
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Yes i use a KJV Bible.. I quote it when posting here on this CC Forum .. I cannot see how the verses you post have any effect on my conclusions in regard to this topic..
.. I cannot see how the verses you post have any effect on my conclusions in regard to this topic..
Please do us all a favor, and stop speaking with authority.
I see this as:
The continual fight between the flesh and the Spirit of God. Paul calls us to see to be willingly dead to the flesh first birth nature we all are first born in, before getting born again, these people that are in belief are born again by God Father of the risen Jesus for us to be new and not do things as did, eventually anymore. No longer alive to the first born flesh, (Romans 6)
What? But, my Flesh is not redeemed yet, so I therefore sin and take for granted this gift given, or do I? Romans 8, therefore believe it by Son's done work for you that your first born flesh is dead for you to be new in the risen Son and Father by the Holy Spirit leading and guiding you as new. Never leaving or forsaking us ever. Always waiting ready for us to see we did wrong, to ask how to not do wrong again by Faith to God Father of the Risen Son Jesus ask it will happen for you and me and all others also in time after time of failure after failure, God is so mysterious in this marriage between God and you personally.
Acts 17:28
New International Version
28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[a] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[b]
So, daily be dead to the first born birth of you and be the new person that is alive to God Father and Son in God's Spirit and Truth, thank you.
As we each, that have turned to God in belief to see, are daily being taught new over mistakes made, ????????????Many of them over and over again and again are made in not wanting to and yet do it anyways. God continues in God's faithfulness to us all to teach us each in belief to go forward and continue to learn truth over error(s) still here in this world of flesh and blood that cannot please God as Son's already has done for us all, waiting patiently for us to believe God personally for the new to be given in us, and those do new, in humility of this amazing grace given us, these see and do not quit, thank you.
Colossians 1:21-23
New International Version
21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Read Col. Chapter 2 to see what is done for you, so you will not return to the first born flesh person you were, I am learning this also daily remembering, and seeing to continue to be dead to my first born person, thus alive to God in Spirit and Truth only as called to be that in John 4:24. I am not saying I am perfect, God is: the one and only one perfect. I simply put the past behind me and continue to move in the present second of life, the new life given me as Paul talks about in Phil 3 as well
Born new (again) by Father of the risen Son Jesus anyone that stands in belief to this truth, one will not return to the vomit one puked out, like dogs do anymore over time in not quitting to believe God, no matter what troubles might be going on presently or have in past or even might in future, that matters not anymore, to me at least
The continual fight between the flesh and the Spirit of God. Paul calls us to see to be willingly dead to the flesh first birth nature we all are first born in, before getting born again, these people that are in belief are born again by God Father of the risen Jesus for us to be new and not do things as did, eventually anymore. No longer alive to the first born flesh, (Romans 6)
What? But, my Flesh is not redeemed yet, so I therefore sin and take for granted this gift given, or do I? Romans 8, therefore believe it by Son's done work for you that your first born flesh is dead for you to be new in the risen Son and Father by the Holy Spirit leading and guiding you as new. Never leaving or forsaking us ever. Always waiting ready for us to see we did wrong, to ask how to not do wrong again by Faith to God Father of the Risen Son Jesus ask it will happen for you and me and all others also in time after time of failure after failure, God is so mysterious in this marriage between God and you personally.
Acts 17:28
New International Version
28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[a] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[b]
So, daily be dead to the first born birth of you and be the new person that is alive to God Father and Son in God's Spirit and Truth, thank you.
As we each, that have turned to God in belief to see, are daily being taught new over mistakes made, ????????????Many of them over and over again and again are made in not wanting to and yet do it anyways. God continues in God's faithfulness to us all to teach us each in belief to go forward and continue to learn truth over error(s) still here in this world of flesh and blood that cannot please God as Son's already has done for us all, waiting patiently for us to believe God personally for the new to be given in us, and those do new, in humility of this amazing grace given us, these see and do not quit, thank you.
Colossians 1:21-23
New International Version
21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Read Col. Chapter 2 to see what is done for you, so you will not return to the first born flesh person you were, I am learning this also daily remembering, and seeing to continue to be dead to my first born person, thus alive to God in Spirit and Truth only as called to be that in John 4:24. I am not saying I am perfect, God is: the one and only one perfect. I simply put the past behind me and continue to move in the present second of life, the new life given me as Paul talks about in Phil 3 as well
Born new (again) by Father of the risen Son Jesus anyone that stands in belief to this truth, one will not return to the vomit one puked out, like dogs do anymore over time in not quitting to believe God, no matter what troubles might be going on presently or have in past or even might in future, that matters not anymore, to me at least
Isn’t there a scripture before that talking about those who hear his word and follow him ??? That those can’t be taken from him ????????
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
He’s talking about these folks
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
a notice ot doesn’t say “ whether you hear me and follow me as my disciples or not “ but says of you continue in my doctrine youll know the truth and be set free ….notice he doesn’t say “ my sheep won’t follow me but they’ll remain in my hand “ he’s talking about disciples or “ Christian’s “ those who hear the gospel and apply it to life because they believe
what about those who hear the word but they don’t become disciples or followers ?
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?( makes no sense )
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
we have to hear the word and follow to have the promises he made to those who hear believe and follow him as lord
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
He’s talking about these folks
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
a notice ot doesn’t say “ whether you hear me and follow me as my disciples or not “ but says of you continue in my doctrine youll know the truth and be set free ….notice he doesn’t say “ my sheep won’t follow me but they’ll remain in my hand “ he’s talking about disciples or “ Christian’s “ those who hear the gospel and apply it to life because they believe
what about those who hear the word but they don’t become disciples or followers ?
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?( makes no sense )
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
we have to hear the word and follow to have the promises he made to those who hear believe and follow him as lord
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“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
John 6:63
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
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Remaining in Christ doesn't put much onus on the individual. Just submit to God and don't resist His work in you. He will do all the work of changing you to be godly and obedient to Him.
For me, when I finally understood that, it just changed everything for me! I found that I'm able to resist sin and temptations that I normally couldn't fight on my own. It was also easier to forgive people that hurt me. I also found that I'm able to abide in Christ more consistently and my loyalty and devotion to Him actually increased! God is so good!
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Perhaps if we start from a different place. From Peter we know that God is unwilling that any should perish. From Paul we learn that God desires all to be saved.
So what exactly should we understand from these verses? Are we to understand that God has as an act of His will has determined that everyone will be saved? Surely this isn't the case for God's will cannot be thwarted...Daniel 4:35. Further, God would have failed colossally as hell is being more densely populated daily. So God's desire for man's salvation and His unwillingness that any perish can't mean that God ensures the salvation of all.
So how can we understand it? I propose that it means God is disposed towards the salvation of man. That is, God has and continues to act in myriad (for @Magenta) and manifest (for KJV aficionados) ways to draw men to Himself. For example, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. God has placed eternity in the hearts of men. God has given men consciences. God created the world so that the invisible things can be known by the things that appear.
In all these things and so many more, God has demonstrated His desire of salvation and unwillingness that any should perish. But none of these things require God to do anything to actually save someone. They merely reveal His propensity in the matter of salvation.
This was long and I'm sure I didn't answer your post fully. Ask again if you are so inclined.
So what exactly should we understand from these verses? Are we to understand that God has as an act of His will has determined that everyone will be saved? Surely this isn't the case for God's will cannot be thwarted...Daniel 4:35. Further, God would have failed colossally as hell is being more densely populated daily. So God's desire for man's salvation and His unwillingness that any perish can't mean that God ensures the salvation of all.
So how can we understand it? I propose that it means God is disposed towards the salvation of man. That is, God has and continues to act in myriad (for @Magenta) and manifest (for KJV aficionados) ways to draw men to Himself. For example, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. God has placed eternity in the hearts of men. God has given men consciences. God created the world so that the invisible things can be known by the things that appear.
In all these things and so many more, God has demonstrated His desire of salvation and unwillingness that any should perish. But none of these things require God to do anything to actually save someone. They merely reveal His propensity in the matter of salvation.
This was long and I'm sure I didn't answer your post fully. Ask again if you are so inclined.
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“Just submit to God and don't resist His work in you. He will do all the work of changing you to be godly and obedient to Him.”
I 100 percent agree with this , when we reject his word in the gospel we’re rejecting his work in us for salvation who are called to believe him his work is accomplished through faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
I 100 percent agree with this , when we reject his word in the gospel we’re rejecting his work in us for salvation who are called to believe him his work is accomplished through faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
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