Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

[GWH]

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

No by no means does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all without exception, just because the word all is used. In fact, to the spiritually discerning it teaches the contrary, it teaches the limited atonement, or that Christ did not die for all men without exception, simply because the all men here that Justification of life came upon is limited to only some men, so the word all can only apply to all that received upon them Justification of life.

For its clear from other scripture that all men without exception are Justified before God, for instance Matt 5:45

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Acts 24:15

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

1 Cor 6:1

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

2 Pet 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Rev 22:11

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Now the word unjust does mean being found guilty before God, in Gods court of law,

describes being found guilty in God's court of law, i.e. as a binding, legal infraction against His law which calls for divine retribution,
unjust, unrighteous, wicked.of one who breaks God's laws, unrighteous, sinful,

So basically its one God reckons guilty before Him as a law beaker.

"No by no means does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all without exception, just because the word all is used." !!!

Folks need to learn semantics before they attempt hermeneutics!

 

[brightfame52]

What you man.

God's Word specifically states:

Romans 5:17-18 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive [Greek = lambanō] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. ) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

your so-called "elect" were/are/will be under condemnation just like all descendants of Adam until they by faith lambanō (actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available).

However, you deny the plain truth of Scripture in holding to your erroneous dogma by which you claim:

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Faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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The elect and the elects surety, Christ cannot both be under the same condemnation, that's injustice

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The elect and the elects surety, Christ cannot both be under the same condemnation, that's injustice

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Colossians 3:6-7 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries

The above verses corroborate what is written in Rom 5:12 (all have sinned) and in Rom 5:18 (by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation) ... even your so-called "elect" ones.

The Lord Jesus Christ was never under condemnation ... but those who have been born again sure were ... until they are justified by faith (Rom 5:1) and receive [Greek = lambanō = actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness, which results in justification of life (Rom 5:18).
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[brightfame52]

@reneweddaybyday

The Lord Jesus Christ was never under condemnation

Sure He was, for His Sheep that He died for, it wasnt for anything He did personally. Dont you realize that when He died for sinners, God laid their condemnation upon Him, their sins Isa 53:4-8

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.


Not only that, He was made accursed for His People Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Being made a curse is condemnation.

This is basic truth, and you dont even understand it by making such a foolish unlearned comment as:

The Lord Jesus Christ was never under condemnation